BO's talk in Dallas.

[Horn6721]

I am sure the MSM will gush over it and say it is one of the most important speeches of his presidency.
He did have some good lines that got some applause.
Then he mentioned the people "executed" in Baton Rouge and Minn twice. Why? And he brought up poor black children in hoodies. Why?
And it went on for way too long and he started repeating himself.
Actually Mayor Rawlings and Chief Brown spoke directly to the families and the entire police force. Wasn't that the purpose of the memorial?

 

[I35]

He never stops his rhetoric. I didn't see it, but if he did mention the Baton Rouge and Minn twice at the police officers funeral in Dallas, then he once again proved why everyone refers to him the Divider in Chief. He's so classless. I'm sure they didn't boo him due to out of respect for the families. Worst President ever by far.

 

[Horn6721]

He also said it was easier for a teenager to get a glock than a computer' which is an amazingly stupid thing to say
but after all it was BO

 

[NJlonghorn]

I'm not going to say that the speech was "one of the most important speeches of his presidency" but it was actually very good. I hope that people will listen to or read the actual text of what President Obama said rather than accept your unfair and inaccurate summary of it.

Then he mentioned the people "executed" in Baton Rouge and Minn twice. Why?

For starters, he didn't use the word executed, nor did he imply any kind of wrongdoing on the part of the police in connection with the LA and MN killings. He mentioned the killings in passing three times. First, he praised the slain officers for putting themselves in harms why by keeping the peace at a protest about the killings. Then, he referred to the fact that Americans are "struggling" with those incidents. Both of these references were brief, accurate, and uninflammatory. The third reference was to the BLM protestors in the audience who were praising the police officers at the same time as they were "weep[ing] for the families of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile." I would have preferred that President Obama not include this line in the speech, but it was only minimally offensive, if even that.

And he brought up poor black children in hoodies.

The only appearance of the word "hoodie" came in a section of the speech where the president was praising supporters of the Dallas police for the "open heart" they were showing towards the black community. He concluded:

That’s what we’ve seen in Dallas these past few days, and that’s what we must sustain. Because with an open heart, we can learn to stand in each other’s shoes and look at the world through each other’s eyes. So that maybe the police officer sees his own son in that teenager with a hoodie, who’s kind of goofing off but not dangerous.​

Surely you aren't offended by the president praising police officers and their supporters for having an open heart towards black teenagers? He didn't say anything -- not a single word -- about who was right and who was wrong. He simply said that we need to work towards understanding each other and getting along. And he said this in the context of praising the Dallas community for doing just that. I thought this was the best part of his speech.

And it went on for way too long and he started repeating himself.

I guess "too long" is in the eyes of the beholder, but the speech wasn't very long.

Actually Mayor Rawlings and Chief Brown spoke directly to the families and the entire police force. Wasn't that the purpose of the memorial?

So did President Obama. The vast majority of his speech was directly addressed to praising each of the five officers individually, then the entire Dallas PD, then all police officers across the nation. It is hard to imagine what more he could have done to make you see/hear that.

 

[I35]

Njlonghorn, did he bring up about a glock vs kids getting a computer for political rhetoric at the funeral? Because if so there is no defense for that.

 

[Horn6721]

NJ
If you read my post again you will notice the quotes around the word "execute" which references that word was used by a poster on here.
There was no reason to mention the 2 people involved in the shootings in BR and Minn Especially as new facts are emerging. The intent of the Memorial was ,for every speaker but BO, to honor 5 heroic Dallas policemen who rushed into danger to protect civilians.

 

[Brad Austin]

Yes he said 'we are flooding our inner cities with guns' making it easier for a kid to get a glock than a computer.

The speech was good but even in a setting limiting how far he could color outside of the lines, he did press his luck with references to the weekend killings clearly speaking from a point of view supporting the dead folks. And tossed in the usual gun control agenda.

Just when he was coming off as presidential as I've heard in years and appropriately honoring the fallen officers, he couldn't help himself and pulled an Obama.

Despite the agenda pushes, there were very important comments praising police and strongly condemning any violence against them. He spent a good bit of time on that (more than I expected) and backed the police much stronger than anytime I've seen.

 

[chango]

He never stops his rhetoric. I didn't see it,

This sums you up pretty well..

 

[Bayerithe]

the first 10-15 minutes were actually decent, then he just couldn't help himself

 

[I35]

This sums you up pretty well..

And without seeing it I was still right. Shows how predictable and classless he is. Chango what else sums it up is how you defend the worst president we've ever had no matter how much of a mess he's made to our country. Sometimes chango its best to stop digging. So put down your shovel because our little 8 year experiment is a disaster.

 

[I35]

the first 10-15 minutes were actually decent, then he just couldn't help himself

My cousin posted on FB while the speech was going how he can give credit to BHO when it's deserved. Somebody commented that be careful because the speech is still going on. Of course my cousin had to go back in to say he spoke too soon.

 

[horninchicago]

My cousin posted on FB while the speech was going how he can give credit to BHO when it's deserved. Somebody commented that be careful because the speech is still going on. Of course my cousin had to go back in to say he spoke too soon.

Are your cousin's initials "DD"? I saw a very similar post on FB yesterday from someone I played HS football with.

 

[Crockett]

I hope that people will listen to or read the actual text of what President Obama said rather than accept your unfair and inaccurate summary of it.

Should go for most political communications ... in the internet age it's almost always possible to find the actual words of the speaker instead of "coverage" designed to portray it as something ugly. The silo builders crawl through every communication and tell us what we should be angry about. I choose to take the president's speech and the other memorial remarks in Dallas as a well done and proper response to a healing community recovering from a heartbreaking tragedy. That's what I hear from the people who took time to hear the service.

From the angry internet folks responding to bits and pieces, unsurprisingly, I see angry internet sniping.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Should go for most political communications ... in the internet age it's almost always possible to find the actual words of the speaker instead of "coverage" designed to portray it as something ugly. The silo builders crawl through every communication and tell us what we should be angry about. I choose to take the president's speech and the other memorial remarks in Dallas as a well done and proper response to a healing community recovering from a heartbreaking tragedy. That's what I hear from the people who took time to hear the service.

From the angry internet folks responding to bits and pieces, unsurprisingly, I see angry internet sniping.

That Wall Street Journal link that Mr. Deez posted in the "tribal" thread should be required review before anyone posts on this board. In that you can transparently see the left/right spin of the media an why it's so important for each of us to step out of our echo chamber to review the content ourselves. In this case the Obama and Bush speeches.

 

[Crockett]

 

[Clean]

His was suppose to be the "post-racial" Presidency. Instead, he's knocked race relations back to the mid-sixties and the "long, hot summers" of racial riots and cities burning. Thanks BO. Your Presidency smells just like your initials.

And, yes, he actually said that it was easier for a poor kid from a struggling neighborhood to get a Glock than a book!! What a maroon!

 

[Seattle Husker]

And, yes, he actually said that it was easier for a poor kid from a struggling neighborhood to get a Glock than a book!! What a maroon!

He said "easier to get a gun than a computer". Can you share your experience as an inner-city youth to the contrary?

 

[iatrogenic]

Just go down to the public or school library and check out a gun. Simple as that.

 

[Horn6721]

Actually BO said a computer or a book.
Read the text
Can anyone find an inner city school that foes not give laptops to at least middle schoolers on up? I bet not.
As for a book? Anyone on here saying it is easier to get a block than a book?
BO did not explain how the teen gets a glock. They ain't free
But books at the library are and puter given out by schools are,thanks to taxpayers
His stupid crap is getting old

 

[NJlonghorn]

And, yes, he actually said that it was easier for a poor kid from a struggling neighborhood to get a Glock than a book!! What a maroon!

That sentence was the only part of the speech I would call inappropriate. I didn't like it, but it is hardly something to get your panties in a wad about.

I could pick a few other nits here and there, but nothing significant.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Actually BO said a computer or a book.
Read the text
Can anyone find an inner city school that foes not give laptops to at least middle schoolers on up? I bet not.
As for a book? Anyone on here saying it is easier to get a block than a book?
BO did not explain how the teen gets a glock. They ain't free
But books at the library are and puter given out by schools are,thanks to taxpayers
His stupid crap is getting old

Personally, I think we are all working too hard to dissect this line especially when most of us here don't have "inner city" experience. Earlier in her career my wife had the opportunity to substitute teach in the Seattle School District. Those experiences were enough to drive her to the suburbs to start her F/T teaching career. I'd suggest only the people that have ample experience as an inner-city youth be able to address that talking point. My experience growing up in rural Nebraska and a nice suburb of Seattle were nothing like stories my wife and a co-worker who adopted from the inner-city conveyed.

Oh...Seattle School district has limited access to computers while in school but is not issuing them for home use.

 

[NJlonghorn]

Lol. I've never understood why the phrase "Black Lives Matter" is offensive. They aren't saying, "Only Black Lives Matter" or even "Black Lives Matter More". They are simply complaining about their perception that a certain category of lives -- black ones -- is devalued by our society. Whether you agree with them or not, there is nothing offensive about the phrase itself.

 

[Phil Elliott]

I am as quick to criticize BHO as anyone, but that speech, even tho it went a little too far into political territory given the occasion, it did not offend me. Hell, the crack about Michelle and Stevie Wonder was the only time I was saying "why are you talking about this NOW?"

"Black Lives Matter" was not a problem, I don't think, until they started shouting down anyone who said, "Blue Lives Matter" or "All Lives Matter." That's when it became "Only Black Lives Matter."

 

[Clean]

He said "easier to get a gun than a computer". Can you share your experience as an inner-city youth to the contrary?

Yes, I'll be glad to.

I had to go to my inner-city Academy Sporting Goods store and plunk down $550 and pass a background search to get my Glock 19. I could have bought a s---load of books for that. Maybe even a new iPad too.

Hope that helps.

 

[NJlonghorn]

"Black Lives Matter" was not a problem, I don't think, until they started shouting down anyone who said, "Blue Lives Matter" or "All Lives Matter." That's when it became "Only Black Lives Matter."

That's fair.

 

[I35]

Are your cousin's initials "DD"? I saw a very similar post on FB yesterday from someone I played HS football with.

No my cousin's initial is CP. But that would be crazy if it was the same.