Big 12 Tournament seedings

Chest Rockwell

Chest Rockwell

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My prediction:1) UT . . . . 13-3
2) KU . . . . 13-3
3) KSt . . . . 10-6
4) Baylor . . . . 9-7
5) OU . . . . 8-8
6) OKSt . . . . 8-8
7) TxTech . . . . 8-8
8) NU . . . . 7-9
9) aTm . . . . 7-9
10) MO . . . . 6-10
11) ISU . . . . 4-12
12) CU . . . . 3-13

This is contingent on Baylor beating aTm, then losing at Tech. KU beating aTm . . . and a few other things. Basically, all the teams that will be favored to win - will win. If that happens, then the match-ups for the tourney will be:
UT plays winner of Nebraska/aTm
KU plays winner of Tech/Mizzou
KSt plays winner of OKSt/ISU
BU plays winner of OU/CU

If aTm doesn't beat Baylor tonight - and I don't think they will - they could very well enter the NIT on a 4-game skid and losers of 7/8. They were 15-1 and ranked in the Top 10 when they went into Lubbock 6 weeks ago.
 
As long as Texas is the 1-seed I am good. Not having to play KU or KSU until Sunday, provided they make it that far, will be good.
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Not that it affects the Horns at all, but I think in this scenario, Tech would be the 6 seed and OSU the 7. OU would win the three way tie, and Tech would then win the two team tie breaker with OSU at step (d) due to their win over Texas.

Per the Big 12 web site:
Tiebreakers - The first criteria in the breaking of ties in the standings shall be head-to-head competition of tied teams. The following procedure will be used to establish the championship seeds if ties exist. (For tiebreaking procedures teams will be grouped in two divisions based upon established guidelines. Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Nebraska are in one division and Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech are in the other division.)

(a) If two teams are tied and they are from different divisions, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the higher seed.
(b) If two teams are tied and they are from the same division, the team with an advantage in head-to-head competition shall be the higher seed.
(c) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of overall record against division teams only (10 divisional games).
(d) If two teams remain tied, there will be a comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
(e) If two teams remain tied, there will be a *comparison of record against the highest ranked team(s) (based upon Conference winning percentage) in the opposite division and proceeding through in order of divisional record.
(f) If two teams remain tied, the higher seed will be chosen by draw.
(g) If three or more teams are tied, ties among divisional opponents will be broken first by using steps (b) through (f) and the head-to-head results will be used to break ties between non-divisional teams. When three or more teams from the same division are tied step (b) will consist of a mini- round robin among the tied teams. At any point during the process of breaking ties among three or more teams that the number of tied teams are reduced to two, head-to-head competition would be used as the primary tie-breaker, followed-by steps (c) through (f).


Note: When comparing against the "highest ranked team(s)" in either division, the comparison will be based upon how tied teams did against all teams in a given placement, rather than a team that wins a tiebreaker at another position. For example, if two teams are tied for fifth and two teams are tied for first, the head-to-head comparison would be how the fifth place teams did against the first place teams combined, and vice-versa.
 
Texas avoiding KSU/KU till the finals is HUGE.

The big 12 tournament is going to be a giant KU orgy, w/a tad of KSU involved.
 
Some things have obviously changed a bit in the middle, but the top and bottom remain essentially the same. With 1 game to go, I think it will look like this:
1. UT 13-3
2. KU 13-3
3. K-State 10-6
4. OU 9-7
5. Baylor 9-7
6. A*M 8-8
7. Neb 7-9
8. Tech 7-9
9. OSU 7-9
10. Mizzou 6-10
11. ISU 4-12
12. CU 3-13

I am not certain of the 3-way tiebreaker between 2 south teams and 1 north team (or vice versa). In this case, it doesn't matter because OSU won't end up playing Neb. in either case.
 
Congrats on beating your rival tonight, gomer. Now go out there and see if you can score more than 10 points a half against KU so Texas can win another Big XII Championship outright.
 
The Ags now have ONE road win over a team that will probably be in the tourney. All they did tonight was crawl back on the bubble and there are plenty other bubble teams with far more impressive resumes. I was also wrong about OKSt beating OU but you don't see Sooners coming over here acting like the just won it all. But then again, I guess they've been there before and know how to act.
 
Why would yall suddenly decide that Tech is going to lose to Baylor? Your opinion on that game changed based on a Baylor loss? The OP had them losing to Tech.
 
That is a tough point to argue until we get an idea of how many teams sneak in by winning their conference tourneys. The Aggies better win at least 1 more to be safe, though.
 
The Aggies are around an 8 seed at this point. To not make the tournament, they'd have to lose in the first round of the Big XII. All these other bubble teams are so bad it's impossible to think a ton of them will win their conference tourneys. Maybe a couple, but not enough to keep A&M out unless they lose to Colorado or Iowa State next week.
 
Here are the scenarios for all Big 12 teams regarding the conference tournament (courtesy of mizzouclone):

Texas
#1 – UT defeats OSU or A&M defeats KU
#2 – OSU defeats UT and KU defeats A&M

Kansas
#1 – OSU defeats UT and KU defeats A&M
#2 – UT defeats OSU or A&M defeats KU

Kansas State
#3 – KSU defeats ISU or A&M defeats KU or OU defeats MU or TTU defeats BU
#4 – ISU defeats KSU and KU defeats A&M and MU defeats OU and BU defeats TTU

Oklahoma
#4 – OU defeats MU or (KU defeats A&M and MU defeats OU and TTU defeats BU)
#5 – (KU defeats A&M and MU defeats OU and BU defeats TTU) or (A&M defeats KU and MU defeats OU and TTU defeats BU)
#6 – A&M defeats KU and MU defeats OU and BU defeats TTU

Texas A&M
#4 – A&M defeats KU and MU defeats OU
#5 – (A&M defeats KU and OU defeats MU) or (KU defeats A&M and TTU defeats BU)
#6 – KU defeats A&M and BU defeats TTU

Baylor
#3 – ISU defeats KSU and KU defeats A&M and MU defeats OU and BU defeats TTU
#4 – KSU defeats ISU and KU defeats A&M and MU defeats OU and BU defeats TTU
#5 – (KU defeats A&M and OU defeats MU and BU defeats TTU) or (A&M defeats KU and MU defeats OU and BU defeats TTU)
#6 – A&M defeats KU and OU defeats MU and BU defeats TTU
#7 – TTU defeats BU and UT defeats OSU
#8 – TTU defeats BU and OSU defeats UT

Oklahoma State
#6 – TTU defeats BU and OSU defeats UT
#7 – BU defeats TTU and OSU defeats UT
#8 – UT defeats OSU and (MU defeats OU or TTU defeats BU or CU defeats NU)
#9 – OU defeats MU and BU defeats TTU and NU defeats CU and UT defeats OSU

Texas Tech
#6 – TTU defeats BU and UT defeats OSU
#7 – (TTU defeats BU and OSU defeats UT) or (BU defeats TTU and UT defeats OSU and MU defeats OU) or (BU defeats TTU and OU defeats MU and UT defeats OSU and CU defeats NU)
#8 – (BU defeats TTU and OSU defeats UT and MU defeats OU) or (BU defeats TTU and OU defeats MU and OSU defeats UT and CU defeats NU) or (BU defeats TTU and OU defeats MU and UT defeats OSU and NU defeats CU)
#9 – BU defeats TTU and OU defeats MU and OSU defeats UT and NU defeats CU

Nebraska
#7 – OU defeats MU and BU defeats TTU and NU defeats CU and UT defeats OSU
#8 – OU defeats MU and BU defeats TTU and NU defeats CU and OSU defeats UT
#9 – OU defeats MU and TTU defeats BU and NU defeats CU
#10 – (OU defeats MU and CU defeats NU) or MU defeats OU

Missouri
#9 – MU defeats OU or CU defeats NU
#10 – OU defeats MU and NU defeats CU

Iowa State
#11 – ISU defeats KSU or NU defeats CU or (KSU defeats ISU and CU defeats NU and MU defeats OU)
#12 – KSU defeats ISU and CU defeats NU and OU defeats MU

Colorado
#11 – KSU defeats ISU and CU defeats NU and OU defeats MU
#12 – ISU defeats KSU or NU defeats CU or (KSU defeats ISU and CU defeats NU and MU defeats OU)
 
Now THAT is cool! Thanks!

BTW, Storm, heck of a win over OSU without Griffin last night. I guess a team can win only so many games in a row with Sean Sutton as head coach.
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OU should be in with a win over Missouri Saturday. That'll make them the 4 seed in KC, and a loss in the Big XII Quarters to A&M isn't a bad defeat.

If we take the likely scenarios this weekend...
UT over OSU
OU over Missouri
Tech over Baylor (the Bears just aren't very good right now)
NU over CU

... that'll put KSU as the 3rd seed, OU 4th, A&M 5th, Tech 6th, Baylor 7th, OSU 8th, NU 9th, Missouri 10th

Baylor needs to be careful. A loss at Tech puts them at 8-8 in conference, which would still be good enough for a bid. But a loss to a Missouri-type team in the Big XII first round puts them in a fairly precarious spot.
 
I agree with your thoughts on Baylor. I don't see them winning at Tech (who has only lost one home this year and it took a deep 3 to do it) on Saturday. As you said, that puts Baylor as the 6 seed...which means they will probably face ISU. And the Clones bring a ton of fans to the tournament when it is in KC. That will not be an easy game for Baylor. If they would happen to lose that game, they will be sweating on Sunday.

Having said that, the bubble is beyond weak this year. I look at other bubble teams like Florida, Houston, Kent State, Cuse, St. Joes, New Mexico etc. and I don't see any of those teams actually "playing their way in". So if Baylor can avoid a "bad" loss from here on out, I think they are in fairly easily.
 
Next year, can the Big 12 just talk to mizzouclone about Big 12 seedings? During the UT baseball game today, Keith mentioned that the Big 12 had not released official seeding scenarios as of Friday and that they were just going to wait until the results of Saturday's games before anything was announced.

Well, after Saturday's games, mizzouclone's scenarios are 100% accurate.

i'm glad to know the Big 12 office is too lazy to come up with the same thing mizzouclone did.
 
Basically, the gist of it is that the Huskers won't be able to avoid KU in the second round game, so we'll get our asses kicked again. That's just a horrible matchup for NU.

But then again,upsets can happen. We shall see.
 
Based on Storm's scenarios, and assuming that we win today:

No matter what, the top 6 is:

1. UT
2. KU
3. KSU
4. OU
5. BU
6. A$M

Nebraska over CU results in:

7. NU
8. TT
9. OSU
10. MU
11. ISU

CU over Nebraska results in:

7. TT
8. OSU
9. MU
10. NU
11. CU
12. ISU

So (again, assuming we win today), our first round matchup would be the winner of Oklahoma State and either Mizzou (if Colorado wins today) or Tech (if Nebraska wins today)
12. CU
2. KU
3.
 
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