Big 12 tiebreaker rules

[Badass]

Is anyone else thinking it could be a two loss log jam at the top ???

I need interpretation skills ... any one??? look at the rules and tell me who is in ... I’m so confused if OU, Ok St and Tx are tied

Tiebreaker Procedures

 

[militaryhorn]

If Texas wins out we are in

If either OU or OSU win out they are in

 

[Statalyzer]

Iowa State doing their best to pick up another loss so far

 

[RainH2burntO]

Iowa State doing their best to pick up another loss so far

Looking like they may have a suspect defense.
If we get by kstate I think we win out

 

[BevoJoe]

I looked at the B12 Tie Breaker rules. If OU wins out also beating OSU and we win out, resulting in a three way tie, then it will be OU and UT in the playoff with OSU shown the door since they lost to both us and OU. But, we have to win out to have a shot. We get ISU at home and KSU up there, Kansas should not be a factor. BUT it took us end of the game with us needing a FG as time expired for the win. They were also CS's executioner in his last year as HC, beating us in OT. I won't cout that game as a "gimme."

 

[RainH2burntO]

There are many variables...
Here's my best stab at it fwiw....
I wrote this big long breakdown of all possible scenarios and scrapped it....because it is lengthy and complex and instead will just say what is likeky.
What is likely is there are at least three teams tied based on conference records with 2 losses (out of UT, ou, ISU, and OSU) and likeliest tiebreakers are strength of wins/losses vs remaining big12 opponents outside of the tied group by ranking. So a win over the 4th ranked team trumps win over 5th place team and losses to a 7th placed team is worse than to a 6th etc. Two way ties when doing this are settled head to head. If this doesn't settle it then it goes to scoring differential within games between the tied teams and this will likely settle it.

Backing up, if a 3+ team tiebreaker isn't needed and only two teams are tied for the second spot then it is head to head only (and obviously one team was the clear #1 and is in).....for #2 spot.....>>>
2 loss osu trumps ISU
2 loss ou trumps UT and osu
2 loss isu trumps ou
2 loss UT trumps osu or isu
(This assumes ou gives osu their 2nd loss....otherwise ou is out, osu is in and UT vs ISU winner is in.....assuming no further losses for any team)
I have left kstate out as they lost their starting QB and I do not expect them to win out.
If they do, then UT is out and they beat ou and isu head to head and would be in if it is between two teams or if 3 teams invoIved see above. (I do not see them beating isu and UT, so again doubt this comes into play)
This is my best assessment and I'm sure I left somethings out.

The Big12 tiebreaker rules linked below.
Would love to hear critique or further analysis.

I, for the record, see a 4 way tie likely between ISU, OSU, ou, and UT..all with 2 losses..at the very least 3 of those.
What I do not know is what, if any, role the records including out of conference game plays. Seems it should matter on tiebreakers and would certainly affect isu and kstate but I do not see it referenced as far as initial determining factors.

The Big12 current rankings are shown to be:
ISU
OSU
KState
OU
UT

Yes. This was after scrapping the "long" version lol

Tiebreaker Procedures

 

[NM fan]

There are many variables...
Here's my best stab at it fwiw....
I wrote this big long breakdown of all possible scenarios and scrapped it....because it is lengthy and complex and instead will just say what is likeky.
What is likely is there are at least three teams tied based on conference records with 2 losses (out of UT, ou, ISU, and OSU) and likeliest tiebreakers are strength of wins/losses vs remaining big12 opponents outside of the tied group by ranking. So a win over the 4th ranked team trumps win over 5th place team and losses to a 7th placed team is worse than to a 6th etc. Two way ties when doing this are settled head to head. If this doesn't settle it then it goes to scoring differential within games between the tied teams and this will likely settle it.

Backing up, if a 3+ team tiebreaker isn't needed and only two teams are tied for the second spot then it is head to head only (and obviously one team was the clear #1 and is in).....for #2 spot.....>>>
2 loss osu trumps ISU
2 loss ou trumps UT and osu
2 loss isu trumps ou
2 loss UT trumps osu or isu
(This assumes ou gives osu their 2nd loss....otherwise ou is out, osu is in and UT vs ISU winner is in.....assuming no further losses for any team)
I have left kstate out as they lost their starting QB and I do not expect them to win out.
If they do, then UT is out and they beat ou and isu head to head and would be in if it is between two teams or if 3 teams invoIved see above. (I do not see them beating isu and UT, so again doubt this comes into play)
This is my best assessment and I'm sure I left somethings out.

The Big12 tiebreaker rules linked below.
Would love to hear critique or further analysis.

I, for the record, see a 4 way tie likely between ISU, OSU, ou, and UT..all with 2 losses..at the very least 3 of those.
What I do not know is what, if any, role the records including out of conference game plays. Seems it should matter on tiebreakers and would certainly affect isu and kstate but I do not see it referenced as far as initial determining factors.

The Big12 current rankings are shown to be:
ISU
OSU
KState
OU
UT

Yes. This was after scrapping the "long" version lol

Tiebreaker Procedures

Too many Trump losses here! Or not enough!

 

[ViperHorn]

Rain, good work. Any chance for a Cliff Notes version?

 

[Statalyzer]

One of the silliest things about the tiebreakers is that margin of victory could matter and doesn't take into account that overtime is a closer victory than anything regular season.

There was actually a case a couple of years ago where this could have mattered in the West Virginia vs Oklahoma game if Oklahoma State had beaten Oklahoma the week before. Both teams could have been in bizarre situations needing to get or avoid overtime at the end, and it could have turned out that in hindsight WV screwed themselves by going for 2 against us to win in regulation (since if they had gone to OT, they could have won more than 1 point).

 

[zuckercanyon]

I'm not sure. OU and Texas win out, Texas has wins over ISU and OK state, loss to OU. OU would have wins over Ok State and Texas, loss to ISU. ISU would have win against OU and losses to OK State and Texas. Ok State would have a win against Iowa State and losses to OU and Texas, so it would appear that, although each team is 7-2, OU and Texas would have the better record(s) against the 4 teams tied for the lead. (2 &1 vs 1 &2)... also assuming Ok state and ISU win all their other games

 

[RainH2burntO]

Rain, good work. Any chance for a Cliff Notes version?

I'm not sure. OU and Texas win out, Texas has wins over ISU and OK state, loss to OU. OU would have wins over Ok State and Texas, loss to ISU. ISU would have win against OU and losses to OK State and Texas. Ok State would have a win against Iowa State and losses to OU and Texas, so it would appear that, although each team is 7-2, OU and Texas would have the better record(s) against the 4 teams tied for the lead. (2 &1 vs 1 &2)... also assuming Ok state and ISU win all their other games

You are the right track here, Zuck.
I was exhausted just after taking it as far as I did. Someone could continue to work through all the tiebreakers as you have done and try to generate a cliffsnotes version (and probably fail lol) but I dont have the time or desire to...at least not at the moment.