Biden New Airline Rules

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Since he doesn’t have any crises to deal with like the debt ceiling, the border, high crime or foreign issues, Biden has decided to attack the airlines.

Anytime my flight has been cancelled due to the airline’s fault, they offered reimbursement of lodging and sometimes even food.

The problem is most cancellations are due to circumstances beyond their control namely weather. If they have to cover those costs, expect flight ticket cost to jump dramatically. They are already struggling due to way too high pay for pilots. Just kidding @horninchicago
 
Y'all slay me.

Seriously, a big double cross that Congress came up with is the asinine and so-called Passenger Bill of Rights. Airlines will cancel more quickly now vs. trying to make it work to avoid fines.
 
So you found an issue on which I'll actually defend the Administration. For starters, the regulation requires the carrier to be at fault. Weather isn't going to trigger it. They have to **** up.

Second, when an airline sells a ticket, people rely on them to get somewhere at a particular time, and they make travel decisions based on it. If they screw that up and fail to deliver, it's not unfair to make them cover the damage done. Every other business operates this way. There's no reason to give US airlines a pass.

Third, this isn't unusual, and it isn't bad for consumers. The EU already does this, and it's cheaper to fly here than in the US. Americans get hosed on airfare and get treated like crap.

Finally, this is going to be done with the cooperation of the industry, because nothing involving the airlines isn't done with their cooperation. It's one of the most "in-the-sack-with-government" industries imaginable - probably second only to defense contractors. Furthermore, it's one of the most corporate welfare-ridden industries in existence. They use airports funded largely by government and fly aircraft developed largely as byproducts of defense projects. You're not flying on airliners. You're flying on spin-offs of the B-52 and KC-135. Well, strings attach when you're that dependent on government largesse. It's about a 90 percent socialized industry that pretends not to be so that it can justify making a bunch of money.
 
And this isn't a rip on horninchicago or any one person in the industry. It's not any individual's fault, and my wife works in the public school system which is 100 times worse, so I have no room to judge anyone. The airline industry is slimy, but they're not trying to cut off children's penises, at least not yet.
 
I fly 100 times a year domestically. This is simply public overreaction. Nearly every flight I’m on, I get to hear “this airline is terrible then they site that one time they were sitting on the tarmac for too long.” I personally don’t want pilots being pressured to fly when they don’t feel comfortable with weather/mechanical etc.
 
I fly 100 times a year domestically. This is simply public overreaction. Nearly every flight I’m on, I get to hear “this airline is terrible then they site that one time they were sitting on the tarmac for too long.” I personally don’t want pilots being pressured to fly when they don’t feel comfortable with weather/mechanical etc.

Do you think airlines are flying in bad weather and with mechanical issues in Europe, where the regulation is more onerous.
 
Recompense for airline delays should not be an option for wx issues, even if it is a ripple effect from weather elsewhere.

Computers down or a plane-specific mx delay is on the carrier. Pay up and most do if they cannot get you on other metal...
 
Do you think airlines are flying in bad weather and with mechanical issues in Europe, where the regulation is more onerous.
I have no experience or knowledge on day to day travel in Europe. What I do know is a simple fact. If you increase costs on business, the consumer ends up paying for it.
 
Every time I got stuck in Calgary or MSP due to weather the only issue I had is not getting a room and a meal. My issue is if on a Delta flight you get a good room and a good meal. However, if you are on a Delta Regional you get a crappy motel and substance.
 
Recompense for airline delays should not be an option for wx issues, even if it is a ripple effect from weather elsewhere.

Computers down or a plane-specific mx delay is on the carrier. Pay up and most do if they cannot get you on other metal...
Wow, mx delay, really? Good luck with that.
 
I was cancelled Sunday night on my connection in Houston from Belize. Weather was terrible in Nashville. I was rebooked the next morning, but I paid for my own hotel. It wasn’t SWA’s fault that it was too dangerous to fly.
 
I was cancelled Sunday night on my connection in Houston from Belize. Weather was terrible in Nashville. I was rebooked the next morning, but I paid for my own hotel. It wasn’t SWA’s fault that it was too dangerous to fly.

And nobody would make them pay anything for that.
 
I have no experience or knowledge on day to day travel in Europe. What I do know is a simple fact. If you increase costs on business, the consumer ends up paying for it.

And yet I can fly around Europe for cab fare with much more onerous rules, while you all get bent over for less. You're talking about the airline industry like it's working in a free market system. It's not and never has been.
 
I don’t think airlines have anything over big pharma.

It's like asking if Hitler or Stalin was worse. They're both terrible. My view is that big pharma is more nefarious because they play games and take chances with people's lives, and the airlines largely don't. Is that because the airlines are better people, or is it because it's much harder for them to get away with that? Hard to say.

However, the airlines are more in the sack and bigger beneficiaries of federal largesse than big pharma is. Virtually nothing they do isn't completely larded up with government money. They're almost like the post office without the customer service and courtesy.
 
And yet I can fly around Europe for cab fare with much more onerous rules, while you all get bent over for less. You're talking about the airline industry like it's working in a free market system. It's not and never has been.
I fly Nashville to Pensacola round trip two times a month for usually $250, but often less with 21 days notice. Gas for my car is $100 each way. I’d say airfare is very affordable as long as you can plan your trip.
 
It's like asking if Hitler or Stalin was worse. They're both terrible. My view is that big pharma is more nefarious because they play games and take chances with people's lives, and the airlines largely don't. Is that because the airlines are better people, or is it because it's much harder for them to get away with that? Hard to say.

However, the airlines are more in the sack and bigger beneficiaries of federal largesse than big pharma is. Virtually nothing they do isn't completely larded up with government money. They're almost like the post office without the customer service and courtesy.
This from a lawyer....
 
This from a lawyer....

There are plenty of slimy lawyers out there, but in terms of raw sliminess, the airline industry absolutely blows us out of the water. We can't get away with what they get away with, and at least broadly, we don't get the free stuff.
 
I fly Nashville to Pensacola round trip two times a month for usually $250, but often less with 21 days notice. Gas for my car is $100 each way. I’d say airfare is very affordable as long as you can plan your trip.

I can go almost anywhere in Europe for less than that, and if I'm willing to use a discount carrier, I can go for less than half that. When I said "cab fare," I wasn't kidding.

Last summer, I flew from London to the Azores for about $360 - for three people.
 
I used to fly multiple times per month (mostly for business) but stopped before Covid and haven't been on an airplane since 2019ish. The stupidity in all the regulations, cancellations, lost luggage, mask requirements (for couple years), high cost, long lines, etc, etc, etc, just wore me out. I plan all my vacations and business trips around driving and haven't really had a problem except last summer I went to Glacier National Park with the round trip being 5,300 miles. That was brutal so this year is a shorter drive. I don't miss flying and being treated like a potential terrorist.
 

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