Baylor and TAMU shafted

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JoeDallas

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I can't believe they put Baylor and A&M in the same region. I think someone on the NCAA committee doesn't like one or both of these schools. The Big 12's two best teams cannot both go to the final four. From a quick glance, I don't believe this happened in any other conference. That's a shame, since the Big 12 is supposedly so highly thought of in WBB, many seeing it as the strongest or second strongest conference. Frankly, I think someone on the Committee wants Baylor to go down. It's downright cruel to them. I don't know if Kim pissed somebody off or what. Baylor had a great year and deserves to be treated with some respect. What are the odds of beating a very good team 4 times straight in one year? Weren't all the games extremely close? Would the committee ever do this to UConn, in the hypothetical situation that they had a super close rival in the Big East they would have to beat 4 times in order just to get to the final four? You know the answer to that. I don't have any big investment, but I would like to see Baylor get another shot at UConn. They nearly beat them on UConn's home turf the first game of the year. That would be high drama, which now, to my mind, doesn't have as much a chance of happening. After the ordeal of another BU-A&M game and all the emotion that would drain from them, I think it would be hard for either BU or A&M to get up again the next weekend and be at their best.

Charlie Creme had some tough words for UT, didn't he? I saw a lot of ugly basketball this year from a lot of teams. I'm glad we're in, but he does have his points. The most painful thing for me was seeing all our turnovers. Let us just beat Marquette. That would be too demoralizing, to lose the first game. If we beat Tennessee, that's cool, too.
 
Charlie was not impressed with Texas this year.

There are grumblings about Texas making it and being a 9 seed. The question now is whether the "gift" bestowed to Texas will be appreciated or wasted.

Would love to see a rematch with Tennessee!
 
This post is a classic example of why Seattle/Joe/Erie/Cuerno isn't/aren't Texas fans, and why no one gives credence to their posts.

Aren't you happy the Horns got in? Even when good things happen you look for a way to criticize the program. This was a post about A&M/Baylor and you use it as an opportunity to highlight someone who had the Horns on the bubble but not making the field. Creme also said during his chat, and I quote, "I don't think there were any true big-time snubs." So he didn't think Texas was going to get in. Why not highlight all of the other commentators across the country...VanLengen,Voepel, Greenberg and many others who thought they should be in the field? And the fact remains, they are in, and all fans of programs on the bubble who got in are thrilled, as are real Horn fans. You seem more upset that Baylor or A&M may have been shafted than you are happy about Texas receiving an invite.

You've done the same thing on many threads. Someone posted a brief comment about some reactions on the Aggie board recently and immediately you turned it into an opportunity to criticize Texas - no comment about the actual subject of the post. Every thread is an opportunity to attack the Horns even when the comments have nothing to do with what you end up contributing.

The Horns had a tough year and lost their starting post, suffered an injury that required surgery to one of their top freshmen, and had arguably their most experienced player and team leader suffer two broken noses down the stretch, yet they kept fighting and are now in the tournament. Can't you say something nice? Aren't you happy for the program? The squad has won 83 games the past four seasons and made four consecutive NCAA tournaments - there have been more than a few good things happen during that timeframe, and some good wins, but you don't ever seem happy when they do. In fact, and more to the point, you actually seem happiest when they don't.

And to answer your question about A&M and Baylor, I don't know that the placement is necessarily a bad thing; I can see arguments both ways. And a similar siutation did occur out West with Stanford and UCLA (#'s 1 and 3 seed instead of 1 and 2). The Aggies are a #2 seed and were going to face a #1 in the Elite 8 no matter where they played (assuming seeds hold up, which certainly isn't a given as the Ags have been upset by lower seeds before that point the past two years). Would they rather face UCONN, Stanford or Tennessee on their home courts? At least in Dallas they will have the benefit of a lot of fans and home support. And Baylor may not like having to face the Ags a fourth time should both squads make it that far, but then again they've won all three previous contests so no reason they don't believe it'll happen again. There really aren't any easy solutions to this problem and I can see arguments both for and against putting conference foes in the same region. The Big East and Big12 have 16 invites between them so there really isn't a way to separate everyone while also giving top programs an opportunity to play close to home.
 
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't wear my emotions like you "real" Horns fans. Making a tournament is one thing. Winning is another.

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Seattle...Can't you follow the thread at least?

This one is talking about Baylor and A&M....

Maybe you should create a new new website called Texashater.com

Back to the topic....

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Almost guarantees that at least one (and only one) Big 12 team will make it to the Final Four.
 
Overseas, I think your criticism is unjustified. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they aren't a fan. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone has a different idea about where the program is and where it's headed. That's normal for a diversified fan base. The fact that they're always posting probably means that they're a fan. Sure there are a few from other fan bases that post over here but they make it clear they're fans of other teams. I have no doubt that JD and Seattle4UT are Texas fans just like you are. People don't always agree. Get over it.
 
Read the thread title. I don't see how A&M and Baylor getting jobbed has anything to do with the above posters mentioning Texas being a disappointment. There's intelligent discussion between people that disagree, but there's also somebody trying to have intelligent discussion with idiots. Let me show you what it looks like.

Intelligent discussion involves one side presenting a case backing it up with fact (injury to Cokie), and then the other side coming up with a counter-argument. What we see again and again is that people bring up interesting facts (GG's record vs others over the 1st 3-4 years at a program or Cokie's injury), just to have it met with crickets. Yet the same people keep coming with the same weak criticisms, despite people bringing up facts to counter the criticisms.

So in essense, if you want to be one of the lemmings who spouts ANY amount of differing opinion is O.K. then fine by me. But I on the other hand, choose to call something what it is. Until I see Seattle offer anything thought provoking or original, something that he/she hasn't said over and over and over again, I'll continue to feel that he/she is getting the exact treatment from the other posters that they deserve.
 
Oops, my mistake, I thought overseas was jumping on JD for his original post and then grouped Seattle in,too. I would have to agree that Seattle seems to have a one track mind, but his consistency is exactly the same as some others on this board. His post seems to follow the last paragraph of JD's op, so it's not a total thread hijacking. There does seem to be a lot of that on this board. And no, I'm not kin of Seattle, not do I know him personally. I just don't have a problem with differing opinions on a board.
 
Nice try, Leeroy, but sorry. It isn't about disagreeing, or even differences of opinion. There are plenty of those on this board, and others, and that's not a bad thing. But when someone solely posts attacks, and hijacks threads, we're talking about something else altogether. Fortunately posting history is available for all to see. There are examples of threads where the subject had absolutely nothing to do with what a certain someone chose to contribute; in fact, that person had to go out of his/her way to throw in a jibe or snide remark.

As was posted on another thread, according to Wikipedia "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

Inflammatory, extraneous and off-topic being the key words here. There's a reason a specific term was coined for these folks; simply put, that's not what these forums are about. Differences of opinion are fine and welcome. There have been plenty of times where others have attempted to engage Seattle et. al in a meaningful conversation, but he isn't interested, because it doesn't suit his agenda. When facts have been misrepresented, and corrected by others, he won't address that either. In the past he has praised other coaches and didn't respond when it was pointed out they hadn't done as well during the same timeframe in their respective tenures. When asked if he felt those coaches should have been fired after three or four years, no response. If you want to make inflammatory statements, you should at least be willing to have a real discussion when those assertions are refuted with facts and statistics. Instead of resorting to his/her level, I have asked very specific questions in response to numerous recent posts, and have yet to receive a response. Every single post questions the program or coach, but never in a way that is designed to elicit a real discussion or meaningful response. Morever there is never a single positive, or even neutral comment made. The season wasn't what we had all hoped for, but we still made the NCAA tournament for a fourth consecutive year. Has there been any anknowledgement that the injury to Cokie was a primary factor in the team's struggles this season? Did GG cause that injury? Did he expect the team to perform the same regardless? Is he happy that we made the tournament? Excited about the recruits we have coming in next year? Glad that Cokie will be back in the lineup?

If you think what we're talking about is a mere difference of opinion, I will be happy to retrieve - and post - a hundred examples that indicate otherwise.
 
This is not the first time the committee has placed #1 and #2 seeds from the same conference in the same regional.

It happened with UConn and Rutgers a few years ago (2008) in the East, and with Tennessee and Vanderbilt back in the Michelle Snow / Chantelle Anderson days in Denver.
 
Whoa, I didn't know I wrote anything so inflammatory. Overseas, of course I'm glad we're in. If you read my post, I think you will find those exact words. I'm as much of a UTWBB fan as anyone I know, and used to travel around the country to see them play -- Portland, Philadelphia, Athens, Georgia, Tulsa, Knoxville,zBowling Green, and Ruston LA more times than I wish (Work has sadly put a stop to all that now.) Saying Charlie Creme has his points -- I didn't know that was such a radical statement. Leeroy, thanks for helping me out! I think this board is to have discussion, and everyone is not going to see things exactly the same way. That makes it more interesting. I was surprised to see myself paired with Seattle, since I don't think my posts and Seattle's are that much alike. But I don't mind Seattle's point of view. Makes the board interesting. I know I have a critical side and can sound negative sometimes. I have felt really bummed by our turnover count. But I could have written a paragraph about each team member and how much I like her and what I think she brings. That's just not what I was thinking about. I'm thrilled almost beyond words with Chas, excited by Chelsea and Anne Marie, am so impressed about the way Yvonne has been playing, and don't "not like" anybody. I can't wait to see how Cokie plays after a year of conditioning and learning. And I'm oh so sad to see Kat and Kathleen go. Overseas, if we went to a game together, we would be yelling, standing, clapping, cussing, and tearing our hair out at the very same times, I feel sure. We are on the same side.

I'm against Baylor, A&M, and everyone else when they play us. But I like thinking about their teams, too, and wish them well as Big 12 reps when our team falters.

Go Horns. Beat Marquette, then take care of the Lady Vols.

Moooo, thanks for the historical perspective.

JoeDallas
 
Thanks, Joe, and I would love to attend a few games with you, if only that was possible. And I think there is a difference between healthy criticism and some of the posts being referred to by myself and others. So, my apologies if I inadvertently lumped you in with those. It's important to point out that some of us aren't in Texas, and can't attend games or other events. The last time I saw the Horns in person was the early 90's; I've spent the last 15 years living in seven cities on three continents. Much of that time TV wasn't even an option, though video allows me to see more now than used to be the case. This forum has been the only place for me to engage with others about the program, recruits etc. Imagine how frustrating it is to show up and be greeted with some of the stuff that's been posted, and I'm not referring to differences of opinion or criticism in and of itself - you find that on every forum, and rightly so. I take the time to respond because we all realize the potential consequences if stuff like that is left out there unchallenged. When someone who hasn't been on the board for years shows up and says, "we suck," they're going to get a response. And that goes double for someone who has attacked the coach since year one; that person's posts have nothing to do with criticism and everyting to do with an agenda. It says a lot when misrepresentations are refuted with facts and statistics and no response is offered. Post what you want but stand by it when challenged, or at least be willing to engage in an meaningful exchange with others. Again, not referring to you here, and I hope you understand the distinction I'm making between differences of opinion and some of the posts that many on this board have taken issue with.
 
Staying on the subject would be nice. I would like to see Texas fans point of view on AM and Baylor. Texas fans I realize this has not been the season we were expecting for Texas, but give it a break. If you are a real fan. You knew when C.Reed was going to be redshirted for Texas. That it was going to be a tough season. I think they did a decent job without a inside game. Texas is headed in the right direction.
 
My only problem with BU & a&m playing for the 4th time this year is that I have NO ONE to pull for in that game. The only time I will pull for either is if they are playing UConn.
 
I'm actually apprehensive about posting, as overseasfan will have to write another thesis in response....

But who cares if Bay and Aggie got shafted? WBB has to get like our other sports like VB where we dont care about seeding or the plight of other teams because we expect to win anyway.
 
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