Banning Islam in the US

NJlonghorn

NJlonghorn

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The following comes from this article discussing polling numbers in Iowa:

Trump's probably not hurting himself too much with his negativity toward Muslims either- only 49% of Republicans think the religion of Islam should even be legal in the United States with 30% saying it shouldn't be and 21% not sure. Among Trump voters there is almost even division with 38% thinking Islam should be allowed and 36% that it should not.
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And the following comes from this news release discussing polling numbers in North Carolina:

It's safe to say Ben Carson and Donald Trump's recent comments about Islam aren't going to hurt them too much with their base of supporters. 44% of Carson voters think Islam should be illegal in the United States, to only 38% who think it should be legal. And with Trump voters the numbers are even more extreme- 52% think Islam should be illegal to just 31% that believe it should be allowed. Republican voters in the state as a whole are evenly divided with 40% thinking the practice of Islam should be legal and 40% thinking it should not.
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Holy crap.
 
NJlonghorn said:
The following comes from this article discussing polling numbers in Iowa:



And the following comes from this news release discussing polling numbers in North Carolina:



Holy crap.
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From his wiki:

PPP is described as one of the "most accurate" polling companies[3][4] and also as a "Democratic-leaning"[5] polling company because it polls only for Democratic and progressive campaigns and organizations on a private basis.

So you site a progressive polling company to soften the scrutiny of liberal policies to bring Syrians to the US? Good try.
 
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So you site a progressive polling company to soften the scrutiny of liberal policies to bring Syrians to the US? Good try.
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You immediately jump to the conclusion that I support bringing Syrians to the US. You are wrong. I don't remember ever advocating for that, and I certainly don't advocate for it now, post-Paris.

The site I cite reveals an alarming willingness to abandon the fundamental principles our nation is founded on. Might the data be skewed? Sure. Is it likely to be altogether invalid? Maybe, but I doubt it. Plus, even if the true level of GOP support for banning Islam is 20%, with an additional 10% undecided, that is still eye-popping.
 
Nj?
Why holy crap? It isn't like there haven't been TNTM incidents here in USA and ALL OVER THE WORLD perpetrated by muslims in the name of their religion.49 % of the Iowans polled still think islam should be legal.
Odd way to ask the question IMO.
I wonder if the people polled understood the difference between being asked about islam being legal and practice of islam law being legal.
I notice in the polls they did also poll some Dems but I didn't see. Did they ask dems in Iowa and NC if they felt islam should be legal?
 
The findings seems bizarre. But there is an honest segment of Evangelicals that would be perfectly happy with a Christian theocracy. Fortunately Jesus example was to eschew earthly power, so there are a majority of Christians happy with a secular government.
 
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NJlonghorn said:
You immediately jump to the conclusion that I support bringing Syrians to the US. You are wrong. I don't remember ever advocating for that, and I certainly don't advocate for it now, post-Paris.

The site I cite reveals an alarming willingness to abandon the fundamental principles our nation is founded on. Might the data be skewed? Sure. Is it likely to be altogether invalid? Maybe, but I doubt it. Plus, even if the true level of GOP support for banning Islam is 20%, with an additional 10% undecided, that is still eye-popping.
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So the primary current issue of the day is radical Islamists and the potential migration of Syrian immigrants who cannot be fully vetted, and you just posted this randomly? Do you believe everything you read on the Internet or did you know this is a left leaning polling squad with purpose?
 
So we amend the Constitution to outlaw Islam. Brilliant! That should take care of the problem. Now let's talk about enforcement of the law, the principle of unintended consequences, and where this path likely leads us.
 
Mud
Exactly. The question actually was "should islam be legal." Strange wording , how could anyone in USA think a religion be made illegal?
> I wonder how many of those polled took it to mean, "Should Islamic law be legal"
Now that is a completely different meaning.
I doubt many people would be for declaring Islamic law legal.
 
Yeah ... I'm not wanting Mike Huckabee and Robert Jeffress to rewrite the First Amendment. No doubt the neutral wording would be changed to include popular causes some contend the founders "wanted" like prayer in school, display of ten commandments and nativity scenes, ... and allowing laws criminalizing burning of the flag.

Given the political climate I'm not optimistic the founders intent would survive "improvements" and I'd expect my grandkids to be hearing Christian prayer over the loudspeakers with Jewish and agnostic children invited to go into the hallways if they didn't want to participate, just like happened in the small town where I grew up, even after the Supreme Court ruling.
 
Well, FDR got the 21st Amendment passed, repealing prohibition and inspired the 22nd , limiting presidents to two terms. Not sure if FDR wanted to mess with the First Amendment, thought he did want to add justices to the Supreme Court ... not that he got much backing for it.
 
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FDR recognized a threat and over-reacted by putting a certain segment of society in camps. I'm not suggesting that but maybe we could limit our, American, exposure to the real threat that ISIS has proven to be to non-Islamic people here in America if the current President does his job by not bringing in more people from the ISIS hotbed. I would extend that to all of the Middle East for a 5 year period to start. Show the Middle East we are serious.

Then if, when, ISIS is controlled to a level for a decade or so maybe the prohibitions put in place to limit danger to the American lives can be revisited.

Will it guarantee safety? No but it most certainly would not enhance the danger that taking in more refugees from that danger area would certainly, absolutely, thrust upon our citizenry.

There is more than enough sand in the Middle East to erect tents till the danger of ISIS passes. And then they get to play their little Sharia games where it is welcomed as well.
 
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I wish ISIS was a JV dream which could be kicked down the road till the next president, that it was a dream. Have you seen the videos coming from that organization? It is at least a horrible nightmare if the ISIS organization is not contained at minimum. But that is just delaying the inevitable. Why not limit the access of the real ISIS organization members, and their pool of applicants from entering the USA?

We are limiting access of even parents to our schools from the threat of one adult being a shooter. Why not limit access to the country of the population that gave, gives, us ISIS?
 
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