Ban the Eyes of Texas??

I find the fact Eagles and his cronies did not include on their list renaming the Malcom X Lounge odd and quite hypocritical. UT honoring one of the biggest racists of the 20th century by naming a student lounge after him is odd.
A lounge named for racist Malcom X is offensive to many UT alums, and it is hard to understand why Eagles would not try to have it renamed enthusiastically in his attempt to remove racism from campus.

The movie and Alex Haley are not credible, please don’t cite either.
 
IMO "The Eyes of Texas" thing is what we call in the negotiation bidness a "throwaway". You ask for the moon and then your other demands don't look so bad. You then give in on the big ask (The Eyes), UT will rename some buildings and remove a statue or 2 and think wow we really dodged a bullet there.
 
Phil Elliott said:
IMO "The Eyes of Texas" thing is what we call in the negotiation bidness a "throwaway". You ask for the moon and then your other demands don't look so bad. You then give in on the big ask (The Eyes), UT will rename some buildings and remove a statue or 2 and think wow we really dodged a bullet there.
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Might be true but from what I am seeing around the country and in the MSM, all BLM demands must be met, or else. And the “or else” is sadly not a lame threat.
 
IvanDiabloHorn said:
I find the fact Eagles and his cronies did not include on their list renaming the Malcom X Lounge odd and quite hypocritical. UT honoring one of the biggest racists of the 20th century by naming a student lounge after him is odd.
A lounge named for racist Malcom X is offensive to many UT alums, and it is hard to understand why Eagles would not try to have it renamed enthusiastically in his attempt to remove racism from campus.
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Bingo. Cannot have it both ways. I didn't even realize there was a Malcolm X Lounge at the University. According to the link below, the Malcolm X Lounge "is the place where black students can come and be around people from the black community. People who identify as black are the ones who most frequent the lounge, and those who do not will often stare at the lounge but not come in."

On the one hand, our society is criticized for not being inclusive, yet a lounge dedicated to a particular race of people is acceptable as long as it's dedicated to the black community. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Malcolm X Lounge offers safe haven to students of all races - The Daily Texan
 
Watching these 2 videos (from Texas-OU 2018 and Texas-Notre Dame 2016), I'm having a hard time believing that a ban on singing The Eyes would stick. Just my $0.02.

 
most of the things the students listed in their demands were reasonable ... to a point. however, the Eyes of Texas is a non-starter.

I know we give the Aggies **** for a lot of things, but this sort of thing would never fly with their base and I admire them for that one thing.
 
Now, back to the matter at hand.

Certainly these athletes were aware of the existence of The Eyes when they decided to come to UT, right??? It's not as though The Eyes was some secret ritual carefully kept under wraps down in the basement of Old Main. It's been heard on TV coverage more times than I can count, and certainly they would have heard it a couple times if they attended a UT game. If it was so repugnant to them, why are they just now bringing it up? Or why didn't they choose to play ball for a college that didn't have a school song that they consider to be offensive?
 
Giovanni Jones said:
Now, back to the matter at hand.

Certainly these athletes were aware of the existence of The Eyes when they decided to come to UT, right??? It's not as though The Eyes was some secret ritual carefully kept under wraps down in the basement of Old Main. It's been heard on TV coverage more times than I can count, and certainly they would have heard it a couple times if they attended a UT game. If it was so repugnant to them, why are they just now bringing it up? Or why didn't they choose to play ball for a college that didn't have s school song that they consider to be offensive?
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I thought I read somewhere on here that one fo the former players indicated they were forced to do so. So, case closed. [sarc]
 
btw, Berkley Breathed nailed the whole sensitivity to offensiveness business:

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Garmel said:
In case you haven't noticed calling someone a leftist or liberal is nowhere comparable to being called a racist.
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Not sure I agree. The words "racist" and "racism" have been thrown around so cavalierly (and incorrectly, BTW) by the LEFT, that they have become impotent...kind of like leftist and liberal...
 
BurntOrangeLH said:
You are already dead and do not even know it. You lost in 1865.

Just jarring that you adopt a Japanese avatar yet persist in your belief you may discriminate against races and cultures you deem inappropriate. You are seriously mentally flawed.
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You are the one who is mentally flawed. You are now calling posters slave masters (by bringing up 1865). Other's have likened UT fans to Nazi's. Your hyperbole is a sign of a deeply held emotional disturbance. You are beyond unreasonable. You are full of hatred.
 
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I think with reasonable minds absent the hysterical use of terms such as slave master and Nazi, the University can quickly reach a point of great comfort for black athletes. Somehow they must be shown that many of the things they want are easily achievable and the other tension points are not an indication of support for a racist regime or foundation. If they can back off the gas a bit, the administration can save face, quickly pick the low hanging fruit and allow people such as Shaka to prominently move to the front row when it comes to the face of the University. There is no need to protect racist icons that are blatant. Time is needed for the rest.

I believe they want to come to Austin. But they need to see some action. It's time. This is the moment. We just need to ignore the cumbersome opening salvo and get to work. We have to decide if we want to remain on the path of a national championship versus the alternative, which would involve accepting the label of being a racist institution. Yes, it sounds like extortion but you have to flip it and realize that much of what bothers them is very real.
 
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YearOfTheSteer said:
On the one hand, our society is criticized for not being inclusive, yet a lounge dedicated to a particular race of people is acceptable as long as it's dedicated to the black community. The hypocrisy is astounding.
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"Brown v. Board of Education was one of the cornerstones of the civil rights movement, and helped establish the precedent that “separate-but-equal” education and other services were not, in fact, equal at all."

Of course, a lounge is not education but it is part of the experience. Self-segregating seems to result in misunderstanding and a rise in tensions as the echo chamber is a breeding ground for self-righteousness.

People should be free to be themselves. They should be free to choose the culture within which they wish to exist. Avoiding people is not coming together. And expecting them to adopt your culture in it's entirety is unreasonable. How can we co-exist without the knowledge that certain a way of living is not oppressive by default.
 
Just so people don't get the wrong idea about the angles I take...

I was born in Tallahassee, Florida and lived there eleven years. It was George Wallace Country. This is a poem about that boy and a black kid that I recall... I don't remember his name. He was one of very few who attended my elementary school... I wrote it last night.


a most racist boy

i didn’t know the meaning of the word

born from a woman
and to a man
one from an island
one from the land
i was only a baby
one day i grew up
but was i a just man

i didn’t know the meaning of the word

i saw you as a child
you road on the bus
you had no friends
i had more than enough
you lived the black
I lived the white
mine easy, yours tough

i didn’t know the meaning of the word

but i didn’t know better
ignorance sleeps well
it wasn’t anything
it was just your skin
you had a loving heart
you had a thinking brain
you just needed a friend

i didn’t know the meaning of the word

but that wasn’t me
i never did ask
let’s throw a ball
let’s play catch
you were nothing
only the bottom of the box
the shadow of an unlit match

i didn’t know the meaning of the word

what about your father?
what about your mother?
what did they say
about boys like me
did they say i was something
a child, standing atop a hill
playing king, your mortal enemy

i didn’t know the meaning of the word

i never read about it
but god told me
it wasn’t a dream
it was just a feeling
something happened
and it wasn’t good
it wasn’t about healing

i didn’t know the meaning of the word

but one day the match was lit
the shadow became light
oppression was his fuel
and his heart did so burn
but MARTIN said purify
while MALCOLM said fight
which way would he turn?

i didn’t know the meaning of the word

the slave of man
with the truth of knowledge
as JOB survived in the belly
would forgiveness, the nectar of grief
be too slow in coming
or would so too revenge
the golden calf of disbelief

i didn’t know the meaning of the word
 
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