Ayala on Creationism/Intelligent Design

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The HHMI Bulletin (published by thye Howard Hughes Medical Institute) has a great interview with Dr. Francisco Ayala. He discusses science, religion, and creationism/intelligent design. The article is short and well worth the time.
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How dare you post a link to a thoughtful explanation of intellectual compromise that has endured for nearly a century? I suggest that you be banned for excessive reasonableness.

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Ignorring Flyingdoggystyle, I thought I'd post this here rather than starting a new thread.

One of the arguments of creationism is that speciation hasn't been observed. That's not true. One of the latest examples involves two incipient species of fruit flies in the American desert -
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Of course, thye creationist response will be 'Well, both taxa are still just flies. Wake me up when you observe a cat evolving into a frog.' The goal posts have moved a long way since the days of Henry Morris.

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i still don't understand what it is about so many christians that science irks.

seriously, if they did, for a fact, empirically prove that a funny stroke of lightning in a certain miasma of elements produced life, would it alter your faith at all? if you believe in god, then you would believe that god sent the bolt of lightning into the miasma that god prepared, and created life, right?

i don't understand why trying to understand the world precludes your religion. more knowledge is good.
 
I think your answer is a very good answer, GT WT.

And Hayden, to answer your question, I think part of the problem is that the crusaders for evolutionary theory spend too much time and energy debunking Creationism/ID instead of emphasizing the basic compatibility of the TOE with the Genesis account.

I think a vast number of people -- both Christians and evolutionists -- have been seduced into the false dilemma of having to choose one or the other.
 
and to take it a step further, should we, in a math class, say "ok, class, 2 plus 2 equals 4. there is a theory that the reason this happens is because god deemed that 2 plus 2 should equal 4." because, to me, that's the equivalent of the creationist science argument.
 
Hayden:

Is it good to teach about the true nature of things?

And, if so, are the limits of a thing part of its true nature?
 
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teaching it, and teaching it as science are two different things, as you have noted.

you can teach that there is a notion/proposition that creationism = the true nature of things. you can not do that and call it science.

religion is more/different/better than science.
 
While we're on the subject of science & religion, evolution & creationism/intelligent design, the American Association for the Advancemnet of Science (the publishers of the journal 'Science') have put out a video on this subject:
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It has interviews from Francis Collins and others explaining how they reconcile their faith with their science and how they believe religion fits (or doesn't fit) in a science classroom.

It's short.

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