Avery benching JKidd

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Avery could make everything right by not only apologizing to his team, but admit publicly he screwed up. He could learn from Richard Nixon.

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Should have benched Dirk, dude was spinning around taking jumpers with 3 guys on him. Pretty sure Kidd would have found an open teammate in that situation.
 
Dirk was open on Jet's final aborted drive up the middle. Guess what Kidd would have done in that situation? Unbelieveable.

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Shoulda, woulda, coulda. A great win for the Spurs in an extremely physical game under what turned out to be playoff intensity. But I digress - AJ may have been better off with Kidd out there, but since he was so new he was more comfortable with Terry since he wanted him to get the ball to Dirk.
 
This decision along with the decision to change the starting lineup in Game 1 against the Warriors last year are two examples of Avery making woeful errors in judgement that could have serious longterm effects on the team.


While the win is important it's more important to have the team gelling with their new leader heading into the playoffs. So why not play him in the crucial moments of the game when you yourself stated these moments were why you brought him here in the first place? I'd rather lose with Kidd in that situation than win there without him. Turns out we didn't do either and I'm afraid it may cause a rift if Avery doesn't come out immediately and admit he made a mistake.
 
It was a stupid move and I'd like him to say that on second thought he should have had Kidd in there to get used to end of game scenarios with the Mavs. Getting that experience is more important than one game. Throw in JET having a horrible game and losing his composure after Bowen (or Horry--was at the game and couldn't tell who it was) pushed him to get the T in the 3rd and it is even more puzzling. Oh well, I felt that this trade was going to put a lot of pressure on Avery which is a good thing.
 
that's funny - I thought about Avery's decision on Warriors Game 1 too. This does put more pressure on him, but I think/hope he's up to it. He could have caused longterm problem/confidence with Kidd and the team. He needs to do something to make it right.

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I don't think it's part of his reportoire, but I don't know that there's ever been one that is been so blatant and so universally questioned. I haven't read/heard one person justify this decision. On the Warriors Game 1 lineup decision that was clouded by a 6-game series that ended up with LOTS of things gone wrong. This one was blunt and game-ending.

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I'm always glad to see some Mavs fans on a largely Spurs dominated board. My question is: If you are going to put in Jason Kidd, who are you going to take out? Nobody is asking that question on TV or on the internet. Dampier is in there for rebounds and Dirk obviously has to be in there. The only other people are Terry, Stackhouse, and Howard - all of them have been clutch for us before. My thinking is that you can't take out Terry since he is our best outside shooter, so we are left with Stackhouse or Howard. Stackhouse is a clutch shooter, but Howard is probably a better rebounder.

I would probably have taken out Howard because he has been slumping up until this game and Jason Kidd is about as good of a rebounder if not better. What does everyone else think? Spurs fans included because they probably have a different perspective.
 
BigD, even as a biased Spurs fan, I agree with you. Howard probably is the one to leave out - and I realize he's a great rebounder, but the others are a better bet for shooters and Kidd is a great distributor.
 
If I recall correctly, Mavs had 3 chances in last 34 seconds. He could have pulled Howard initially so that Damp's in there for rebounds, but when they had their last chance I think I would have pulled Damp and put Howard back in so we've got all shooters out there. Kidd would've found one of them.

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i was working while the game was ending, but i watched the last minute. did we have a timeout left after we got the ball back with 12-13 seconds left? if so, should've used a TO there, let the guys regroup for one last chance. if we didnt then nevermind.

im not worried about this game really. i figured we'd drop it. mavs only lose at SA by 2 and 3 respectively this year. i'd like to face them in the first round but that's prolly not likely as i see the mavs facing the jazz or possibly suns in round one. this years playoffs is going to the be tits!
 
I don't know who they would have taken out but with Kidd you have a great point guard who can dribble penetrate and create open shots for his teammates. When they took him out I saw Dirk forcing shots and then Jason Terry forcing his way into the lane to get his shot blocked....although I thought that was a foul. Kidd may not have done much better but you would have thought you would have at least wanted him on the floor.
 
Mavs looked better in that game, but they still don't have "IT". and they are gonna need "IT" to finish the job. Hopefully "IT" will come after they play a few more with kidd. and I agree that Kidd should have been in at the end as the mavs had nothing to lose and everthing to gain with kidd in. hell they lost without him in so it wouldn't have hurt to have him in.

at least they are getting better at not letting opponents get in their head and screw them all up like the Heat did two years ago.
 
Obligatory Spurs fan chiming in: It's unfathomable that Kidd was on the bench. It's even more unfathomable that he didn't have the ball in his hands to make a play to win the game. Why even trade for the guy if you aren't going to let him play in the biggest moment of the game? Wasn't that why they got him? To take the pressure off Nowitzki and make the biggest plays at the biggest moment? And if you aren't going to play him because he doesn't know the play or his teammates, I would think you would want to let him learn in February when the stakes are lower instead of in April, May or June. Just an unbelievable decision.

One other unrelated note: it's remarkable to me how practically every one of these Spurs/Mavs games comes down to the last 2 minutes. I've never seen anything like it. I don't think my heart could take another 7 game series,
 
I feel like the Mavs have lost a marked advantage we had over the Spurs in the speed department in trading Devin Harris. I hope I'm wrong, but we'll see in the next few games against them.
 
You guys are missing the obvious here. The play call worked as far as play calls go. Terry got a wide open and I mean a wide open shot from the elbow at maybe 12-13 feet down 1 and he missed. He's usually money from there. The original play call without Kid got the shot they wanted. Now I would have left Kidd in, but they did get what they wanted. They missed. The last drive was not to Terry's strength. He's just not a drive and finish kind of guy in that situation. Terry also missed a FT late. Duncan made both of his. Throw in a couple of tecs and you realize every game with these teams is decided by the slimmest of margins.
 
Hey, I'm a Mavs fan and didn't expect to get that call at the end. Refs just don't want to make that call unless you are Dwayne Wade.
 
Keeping Kidd out there was win-win for Avery. If everything works out, you win the game or at least force OT. If it doesn't, you have the built-in excuse -- he's new, we're trying to gel, that's why we brought him in, for those situations.

I don't get it.
 
The DFW sports talk shows thought it was just as asinine as the Mavs fans did. Mavs did show back up tonight against Sacramento. Tough stretch ahead for them in the next few days.
 
I repeat - You cannot put him in there unless you take someone out!!! Who do you take out? I personally would have taken out Howard, but I wouldn't feel good about it. Dampier maybe, but correct me if I am wrong but didn't he tip out that rebound to Terry for the last shot. He is good for rebounds, not for himself but to tip it out to other players (that's pretty much his thing now).

Any playoff series between the Mavs and the Spurs is going to go seven games, with every game coming down to the last 2 minutes. I doubt it happens this year though as one will probably get knocked out before they would meet. The Spurs are playing great now, but if I was a Spurs fan, I would be a little nervous about the lack of bench scoring since Manu is starting now (right?). His bench scoring has been huge for the Spurs in their championship years, but those guys are going to get worn out if they have to score that much every night from here on out.
 
I'm thinking we already went thru this: there's two trains of thoughts - you either take Damp out and have all shooters + Kidd, or you take one of the shooters out, probably Josh, and leave Damp in. It's not Rocket Science. The guys that have gelled the most with Kidd offensively have been Dirk, Stack and Damp.

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I think Kidd needs to be a little more aggressive at times with his shot as he was tonight. Sometimes he's TOO unselfish. I know he can't shoot very well, but he can still post up smaller PG's and can still get into the lane and has always been a crafty finisher.
 
I think that's one of Avery's goals: get Kidd to shoot more.

I also know one thing...Kidd is a soldier. At the game last night watching him, every time he got the ball he looked to the bench to get instructions from Avery, who must have made it very clear who's boss. He (Avery) is tough if not a tad ego-maniacal.

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