Assuming we beat KU

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And yes I understand that's a huge task in itself. Yet assuming we take down the Jayhawks again, where does that leave us? What are the real possibilities? That would give us two head-up wins over KU...yet still 3 losses behind them. Pitt got bounced early, Purdue went one and done, Notre Dame lost tonight, either Duke or NC will lose, and either BYU or San Diego St. will lose. Those are all in the books or will be. Assuming no other upsets and we beat KU, where would we land in the tourney?

My guess is we narrowly miss out on a one seed with Ohio St., Duke, KU, and Pitt taking those spots. However, Pitt losing their first game could bounce them. But they do have one less loss and the head-up win on us which should keep them above. IMO, we'd get the first 2 seed and go to SA region. Sounds great to me. Now let's take down the beast that is KU again and show the country we're back in full force.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if we squeaked out a 1 seed. The impact of beating KU in their house and in what is essentially a home game for them tomorrow cannot be understated. ...but then my cart is way ahead of my horse.
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Best case: Duke and UNC both lose in the ACC tourney, opening up a spot for Texas alongside Pitt, KU, and OSU.

2nd option: Dominate Kansas (10+ pt win) and try to steal their #1 seed. Kansas and Texas would have 16-3 records in conference. Kansas has a better non-conference record, but Texas has a much better non-conf schedule and wins. Kansas has 3 losses, all by double digits. Texas has 6 losses, 5 by narrow margins. Texas has 2 double digit wins over Kansas. Probably still Kansas gets it, but it at least makes for an interesting discussion.
 
Dude Pitt is a lock for a 1. As is OSU and KU. We may get it with a win but both UNC and Duke have to lose, and Duke prob tomorrow. I think ND eliminated itself from 1 talk after losing tonight.
 
Was watching a talk show and the question came up if Texas took down KU once again would they get a number 1 seed. The commentator said with KU's body of work there still the number 1 seed. Other then the lag at the end our body of work is pretty damn good in itself.
 
As I posted in another thread, there's a slight chance, but I wouldn't give it much hope. The No.1 seeds will almost certainly be OSU, Pitt, KU and Duke. UNC replacing Duke is more likely than our 'Horns.

I agree with a previous poster that OSU, Pitt and KU have locked up a top seed--even before the conference tourneys, those teams were guaranteed a No.1.
 
Someone said it in another thread, but if Uconn, UNC and MSU all win their tournaments and we beat KU for a second time (virtually on the road both times), I think it's a real possibility. Also don't forget that we took Pitt to the wire. I'm not sure who gets left out though.
 
If we are a 2 seed, we will not get to go to the SW region which is in San Antonio. That's like a slap in the face for the 1 seed in that region. We would be a 2 only in name, we will really be the 1 seed.
 
Pitt has lost 3 out of their last 6. I like them as a #1 but just barely.

Ohio St. is a solid #1.

Notre Dame benefits from playing the tough Big East conference. They will likely be a #1.

Kansas is a lock for #1.

So Ohio St., Kansas, Pitt, Notre for my #1s.

Duke dropping 2 of their last 4 I think has dropped them below Pitt for a #2 seed.

NC is a solid #2. I think if SDSU loses to BYU again then they lose their #2 seed and drop to a #3. I would then put BYU ahead of them. Whoever wins today will get that #2 seed.

Purdue who was my 1-2 week ago favorite for a #2 has lost 2 in a row and most likely will now be a #3 seed.

Texas looks good for that last #2 seed right now. Not good for their pod selection but I would take a #2 anyday over a #3. Texas fell from a possible #1 seed in the last 2-3 weeks. And likely the good tournament performance so far has earned them a #2 spot vs. a #3.


Duke, NC, BYU/SDSU winner, Texas are my #2s
 
Why wouldn't Texas go to SA if they went in as the 5th overall selection and the first #2 seed??? It would seem to me that it goes in pecking order. You place the #1's in their best location. Then you start to place the #2's in their best location and so forth. Just because you are #1, do they really try to avoid placing you the hardest #2 matchup. That's what it sounds like is being implied earlier in this thread. I always thought it went according to selection order, and once you get to your selection spot that you won by performance...they then do the best for you or what works best geographically.. Would they really take away the best place to play (aside from other geographical concerns) from the 5th overall selection to make it easier for a one seed? Somehow I don't see it that way. I guess I'm asking to understand why Texas wouldn't go to SA if they enter as the 5th overall selection. And if not possible as the 5th selection, how else could we get there? I'm all about going to SA.
 
I think it all boils down to this...Ohio St., KU, and Pitt, all should have #1 seeds locked down. So we are scrapping it out with Duke, NC, and SD St. / BYU for the final spot. ND won't go ahead of us if we win out for several reasons. Didn't win conference title or tourney title, same # losses (theirs are worse), and we just beat a #1 seed in front of the selection committee right when they are about to decide. IMO, with a win vs. KU...ND is no real threat.

BYU / SD St. winner I just can't see over us. The schedule and quality of wins is not even close. For example, with a win BYU will have 4 wins over Top 25 teams. Then #25 UNLV, and 3 times over San Diego St. That's laughable compared to us beating a #1 seed twice on the road. Not to mention our other monster games...Pitt, NC, etc. So BYU / SD St. is out.

Looks like it comes down to Duke / NC as the real threats. Duke wins today and I think they are good. Duke loses today and we have a decent shot of overtaking them. So that would leave us with NC. As long as NC doesn't win the ACC tourney crown, we go in ahead. We have the head-up victory on the road basically...and the same losses. The team they lose to (Clemson today or Virginia Tech tom) won't be as quality as KU/Duke...and we would have just beat a #1 seed, again. We would jump NC, no doubt.

So the formula has to be...Duke lose today and NC lose today or tom. Both would have to lose to Virgina Tech (if NC won today). Fat chance? VT is 1-0 with Duke this season, and only lost by 3 at NC. It's possible, not very probable. And then we still have that little detail of beating KU...lol.

Go Horns and Go Hokies...either team loses (except VT to Clemson if in final) and it's 2-Seed city for us.
 
Real simple, because everyone will cry foul, from the 1 seed to the pundits on TV. Texas in SA will be as good as being the number 1 seed no matter what seed you give them. Top 4 seeds should be competitive with each other, being in a region that's close to campus and in the state, that type of previledge only goes to the top seed. Unless Texas is a 1 seed, they will NOT be in SA.
 
So of the four one-seeds, don't they get to go where they have the best chance, in order of their selection? Why would they then give the #2 one-seed a nightmare #2 seed in Texas, instead of giving the #4 one-seed that matchup? It seems that the higher one-seed would get an easier road. I guess I just don't view it as all one-seeds being viewed equally. I see it as the highest selection gets the easiest road, then the next selection does, and so forth.
 
ESPN analysts are agreeing with you. Watching a show now. All four said we assume KU's #1 seed with another head-up win. I can't argue...we would then have the same overall record of 16-3 on all conference games played, both reg season and tourney. However, the tie-breaker would go to Horns with the 2-0 head-up...and both wins basically in their backyard. Can't argue that symbolically and in the minds of the tourney selection committee that would crown us the Big12 Champs, even though that's not how it works by conference rules. Even though we have 3 more losses, they've played only 3 games with teams currently in the Top 20 all year. Won at home against #16 Arizona, and lost twice to Horns in basically two home games. That resume is very weak.
 
Clemson is certainly doing their part - for a half at least - against North Carolina. Of course all of this is a moot point if we don't take care of business tonight.
 
Texas has a very difficult time beating KU when it really matters or when something big is on the line, todays game everything is on the line for Texas we will see how they perform, in the past not so good. Go Horns, play well today. You are also assuming a hell of alot.
 
I'm just hoping we won't be a #3 seed if we lose, which is likely to happen. I hope we have nailed down the #2 seeding. Going out west as a #3 seed would be a death warrant.
 
Again here are my #1 and #2 seeds:

#1
Ohio St.
Kansas
Pitt
Notre Dame

#2
Duke
North Carolina
SDSU
Texas

So if that happens then where do they place the 4 #1 seeds? Here are the regions:
East (Newark)
West (Anaheim)
Southwest (San Antonio)
Southeast (New Orleans)

If I had to guess I would say Ohio St. will be the #1 overall selection and they will get the Newark regional. This will move Pitt to New Orleans, Kansas to San Antonio, and Notre Dame to Anaheim. However if Ohio St. were to get placed in Anaheim, then I could see Pitt getting Newark, Kansas getting New Orleans and Notre Dame getting San Antonio. If that latter happens then there could be a chance that Texas gets put in the San Antonio region as a #2 seed. Very unlikely that the committee will put Texas into the same region as Kansas.
 
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