Art Briles is Already Being Accused of Cheating

[Horn6721]

Shocked
For some reason I can't link the article but Art is accused of bringing in ringers to Mt Vernon.
They are 3-0
last year only won 1 game.
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[horninchicago]

Art Briles is Already Being Accused of Cheating at Texas High School Because of Course He is

 

[Horn6721]

Thanks HiC

 

[MajesticII]

Good coaching can do that in high school and just about any level.

 

[dukesteer]

Good coaching can do that in high school and just about any level.

I think I’m missing your point? Perhaps that it’s OK to cheat because “good coaches” can do it?

 

[WorsterMan]

Maybe it's legit, maybe not. Me thinks the UIL had some pretty strict rules about transfers, ringers, etc. but they may not be enforced or perhaps the UIL has not had time to investigate these allegations against poor ole Art.

 

[Chop]

Note to Mt. Vernon cheerleaders and pep squad: if you get invited to a football players' party at Coach Briles house, tell them you have a lot of homework to do or something ...

 

[Horn6721]

Maje?
Did you read the article?

Poor ol Art

 

[Ajo Macho]

I think I’m missing your point? Perhaps that it’s OK to cheat because “good coaches” can do it?

I think what's meant is good coaching can cause a dramatic turnaround, not that good coaches are allowed to cheat.

In this case, could be both.

 

[BevoJoe]

What are the Vegas line odds on Briles getting canned? I had read sometime back that enrollment at the MV HS went up after he was named the HC. Only figures that ringers and perhaps ineligible players would flock in and Briles, I mean his assistants would get them on the team. Briles doesn't know about it, isn't that his lame assed excuse that was used at Baylor? The big eye opener is MV is 3-0 now and has crushed at least one opponent. They only won 1 game all of last season. Naw, that dog don't hunt. Art Briles è un pezzo di merda!

 

[Horn6721]

Bringing in ringers can help one become a Good coach too.

 

[MajesticII]

I think I’m missing your point? Perhaps that it’s OK to cheat because “good coaches” can do it?

Yes you are missing the point........ Point is......Good coaches attract good players. You think Lake Travis, Argyle, and other great teams don't get a lot of transfers ( families moving into the zone/district ) ??? Also just because he is winning doesn't mean he is cheating.

 

[MajesticII]

Me thinks the UIL had some pretty strict rules about transfers, ringers, etc. but they may not be enforced or perhaps they have not had time to investigate these allegations against poor ole Art.

Athletes must live within the zone /district they play ( there are a few exceptions to that rule ). Transfers are investigated in every district. Forms have to be filled out by the parents and also the school personnel from which the player is leaving. If it is proven the player transferred for athletic reasons, then he/she is denied eligibility...if so they must play sub-varsity as underclassmen their first year there. It is very hard to prove "transfering for athletic purposes" unless it is admitted. It is a free country and parents can move where they want.

 

[Horn6721]

Call me crazy but a GOOD coach does not let the crap that went on at BU go on.

 

[El Sapo]

Any word on whether these new transfers like white women?

 

[Chop]

Call me crazy but a GOOD coach does not let the crap that went on at BU go on.

Yep. And if Sandusky ever gets out on parole, I suppose a few out there would like to hire him as their local high school defensive coordinator--his knowledge of defense is unmatched. Maybe even bring in OJ as a running back coach while they're at it.

 

[stanhin]

If it is proven the player transferred for athletic reasons, then he/she is denied illegibility.

So, they become legible?

 

[Horns11]

The article doesn't present any evidence that the kids who moved in are actually ringers, though UIL is pretty stiff with their classification of a "legal" move for competition purposes. Some student athletes have been told tough luck even though their families physically moved into the district and they met all residency guidelines set forth by school districts. Tyler Davis from A&M was one when he played basketball for Plano West.

I'll hold off on judging the situation. I think Majestic is right... some coaching changes can take a middling HS football team and turn them into a 10-0 division champ overnight, especially at the 1A-3A level.

 

[mchammer]

At these smaller schools and in more remote places, there are probably more legitimate reasons for transfer. For example, our HS offers cosmetology courses. If no other school offers that in your area, you can transfer. It’s analogous to thinly traded markets having more opportunities for arbitrage.

 

[MajesticII]

Call me crazy but a GOOD coach does not let the crap that went on at BU go on.

I guess there aren't many GOOD coaches at a lot of schools, because many let a lot of crap go on....Just one Example: A former SWC school had a lot of 'get out of jail free' cards used for -----ball players during X's tenure there. He was considered a GREAT coach. Briles didn't LET anything "go on". He just let the judicial system deal with the "allegations" . How many of those led to convictions that should warrant dismissal from the team. He felt he was a "football coach" not a judge and jury.

 

[Chop]

though UIL is pretty stiff

I'd avoid the phrase "pretty stiff" on anything to do with an Art Briles team.

 

[Horn6721]

Mt Vernon has 2800 residents.
Would it be unusual for 4 families to move there since June1 who just happened to have 4 players who started for Briles?
Nah nothing to see here.

Interesting that Southern Miss, who wants to win as much as anyone wouldn't hire him. there was talk at Arkansas who is no holder of high standards but even they wouldn't touch him.
I forgot about the Hamilton Canada team who hired Briles then withdrew the offer.

supposedly Mt Vernon vetted him but did not talk to the NCAA.let alone to any of the victims. But they were bad dudes, what were those girls doing around them??

 

[Detective Shilala]

1) your assessment that Briles did not permit a "rapey" culture is very generous. Even their white wash Pepper Hamilton report wasn't that kind to him.
2) I don't accept this "no one else is perfect so its OK" argument.

Your entire argument seems to be based on the fact that a football coach has no influence or purview over their players' off the field behavior, and that is just plain wrong.

Briles is scum, going all the way back to his Stephenville days and i bet nothing has changed.

 

[Horn6721]

Maje
When was the first year of allegations about player behavior?
Was there only 1 year?
If not then Briles did let it go on

 

[stanhin]

Horn6721, here's a discussion that includes a timeline of the events: Baylor University sexual assault scandal - Wikipedia

 

[stanhin]

I'm confused about the wtf. You asked when the first year of allegations was and whether the problem went on for more than one year. I was trying to find a source to answer your questions.

 

[Horn6721]

Stan
Thanks. At least 4 years.
Makes Maje's claim that "He just let the judicial system deal with the "allegations" look pretty weak.
I see some of the ( How did Maje characterize them? OH yea "allegations) allegations ended in prison sentences.

 

[Horn6721]

I meant WTF as in 4 YEARS?? 4 Years.
I than you for info

 

[Horn6721]

Look everyone deserves a second chance, even a scum like Briles
but did he learn anything?

 

[SabreHorn]

Briles was accused of cheating at Stephenville and moving players into the district to play for him. Is he alone in doing that? No, but the list of other violators is greater than the list not doing it.

Any comparison of Briles to Sandusky is beyond comprehension. Sandusky was guilty of unspeakable crimes against innocent kids, and then Paterno covered it up.

Not one person on this board knows what Briles knew, when he knew it, and if he condoned it. Apparently neither were investigators able to produce evidence or we wouldn't be having this conversation. Nothing was proven.

I don't like Briles, and don't want him coaching at Texas, even though he is a brilliant football mind, but this lynchmob mentality (we saw it at work against our program in AC gate) is beyond horrible for those that believe in our Constitution.

If you know something, go to the prosecutors, other wise save your righteous indignation.

Anyone that thinks Briles got a thought from Arkansas, knows nothing about the man running that program. Johnny Tyson would NEVER have allowed that to happen, and anyone proposing it would have been immediately terminated.