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I spent 11 years finishing college, some grad school and then law school. It took that long because I got little help from my low income parents and I kept dropping out to raise the next year's money,

I did the following jobs: road construction, airfield construction, home building, slaughterhouse, field work, ranch work, washed dishes and managed a couple of small businesses part time. All of those jobs except the last one would be unavailable to me now because those jobs are now taken by aliens who will work for less and will not complain about anything.

If you look about my old campus you will not see a lot of low income white kids anymore. UT is now home to a much more economically affluent student body.

Poor kids cannot afford to go to schools away from home as easily as I could forty years ago.

The employers who hire illegal aliens take jobs from one group and give them to another group. It is illegal to do so. They never get punished. They should be serving time in a federal penitentiary for promoting fraud in the procurement of fake identity papers, etc. They are getting off for their crimes. If you put a dozen of them in the pokie for six months the rest of them would shed their illegals and the jobs, at higher wages, would go to Americans.

Instead, they get off and are free now to hire without fear, further debasing the wage rates for all.

Obama did not talk about any of that. I doubt he ever did any field work or washed dishes or stacked cow hides; he was raised a nice middle class boy in the nicest prep school in Hawaii and then went on to schools where there were not a lot of people from the ranks of the working poor. He has never met a payroll .

He is blind to the injuries he causes.

Meanwhile, we lot millions of bottom rung industrial jobs in the last twenty years and are planning a new round of free trade provisions with the wonderful people who run China.

What ever happened to the Democratic party that looked after the interests of the working people? I guess that ended up on Monica's dress.
 
I am sure if any of those employers questioned the validity of the ID they would get hit with a lawsuit. I know many owners of such businesses and they have not choice but to send the paperwork to the government. They get a letter in 6-12 months that the information is fake, they fire the guy, the guy comes back the next day with a new ID.

The business is threatened with a racial discrimmination lawsuit if they question the ID. Get rid of the racial discrimmination lawsuits and they won't hire them........

What year do you think this is?

The illegal immigrants have a whole "Sistema" in place. Getting across the border, setting them up in apartments(multiple families), fake ID's and papers, how to get healthcare, how to get welfare and benefits, if you receive any resistance they have a fleet of lawyers who will scare the crap out of any business or government entity that opposes them for fear of being called a racist.

It is a racket and the Mexican cartels are making millions if not billions off of this "Sistema".

You keep saying it is large businesses corporations, are you crazy? Have you tried to get a job at a large corporation in the past 10 years? No illegal is going there.......They are targeting the smaller businesses that do not have the resources of the bigger companies/corporations.

Get your facts or information straight.....
 
WA: I am sure you are sincere in your opinions but please note I did not say large corporations were hiring these people. It is their contractors who do a lot of it. Look at the construction companies that do the hiring or the motels or restaurants, etc.


As for the papers, I represent federal indictees in immigration cases and they get their papers where their bosses send them as a rule.

And I have lived in hispanic majority communities for the better part of my life and most of us and all hispanic Americans can identify somebody from Mexico or Central America as opposed to a native born person with ease.

A couple of years ago I was chatting with three construction workers on a project in downtown CC about when their company was going to finish a project that had been underway for the city for a year. The conversation was entirely in Spanish because they could not speak English. No employer would have been endangered firing any of them. But if they had hired an American hispanic or anglo they would have had to pay more and the American would have declined to do the job in a way that would endanger themselves.

Every on the job death case I ever defended for any insurance company involved somebody from one of our neighbor republics to the south doing something in a way calculated to get the job done quickly, with job safety being a secondary concern. You have to keep the boss happy or there is no money to send back to Zacatecas.

One final thought: who does the jobs Canadians wont do? Canadians, and they get paid decent wages to do it.

The American working class has been stabbed in the back, starting with the immigration reform of the Reagan era and kicked into high gear by Clinton's NAFTA
 
The dems have just obtained millions of new future votes. Santa always wins.
 
The large corporations don't hire illegals. They are more likely to either offshore and build factories elsewhere, or bring in skilled labor at lower wages from India.

In the future, many of the illegals that have displaced American labor will find they are being displaced - by automation. Robotics is the next big thing, and both white and blue collar positions will be in less demand. The transition period will create good earnings opportunity for many, but further decrease wages and job opportunities for many more.

Some of the off shoring will end with robotics and corporations will relocate their plants and factories back to the US when robots become cheaper than Chinese workers. But it won't create many jobs.

Globalization as it is practiced sucks for most Americans.
 
I agree with much of what Musburger states in the post prior. There has been some insourcing back into the US by manufacturers due to the cost of transportation. The higher oil costs impacted transportation to the point that in some cases it offset the higher wages in the US.

The point is that there are fewer and fewer decent pay low skilled jobs. Knowledge workers are the ONLY ones with a bright future in the US job market and they better good management skills to manage offshore resources.

The greatest threat to manufacturing now is 3D printing. That is set to revolutionize manufacturing and could potentially destroy the labor advantage of China and others.
 
In reply to:"The point is that there are fewer and fewer decent pay low skilled jobs. Knowledge workers are the ONLY ones with a bright future in the US job market and they better good management skills to manage offshore resources."

I agree, but a slightly different spin. There are also more and more low skilled workers competing for those jobs. If a person needs to receive more than 35% on the job SPECIFIC training, that job will likely not exist two years later. It will be replaced by technology or another low skilled worker at a lower pay.

This also applies to high skilled jobs. If an accountant, lawyer, pharmacist, doctor, CEO, engineer, programmer, or you name it thinks they do not have to improve and differentiate their skills, they too will be facing unemployment or stagnant wages at best two years after they start a position.

Knowledge workers only have a bright future in this and future economies by constantly becoming smarter with more skills than other workers they must compete with for jobs. In today's high technology economy, you must work hard, stay educated on the next opportunity and prove yourself as a must need employee at whatever position you hold.
 
Businesses are victims of the illegal immigration system like Nazis were victims of the Jews. It's an absurd assertion bordering on outrageous. I've represented hundreds of illegal immigrants in personal injury cases. Most of them were never asked for paperwork. They were picked up near St. John & IH35 and worked for cash. The majority of those who got false documents got them through someone their boss referred them to, and once their bosses found out that they were pursuing claims against their employers, most explicitly or tacitly threatened to report them to INS/ICE. It was a fix from the very beginning.

Once I was retained, the issue of their immigration status was ALWAYS raised by the employer in or before litigation. If they were ignorant of the issue, then why raise it? Any sane person looking at the situation could see that not only did they know their workers were illegal, they sought out workers who were illegal. They didn't want legal workers - too expensive, much harder to intimidate and frighten, tax liability, won't work under hazardous conditions, etc.
 
Is there any penalty to an employer asking if someone is illegal?
I know there is E verify.

It seems to me we have allowed two different policies that added to bringing us to this point.
One is to give people enough gov't benefits so they can live what would be for most of the world a very good living without working. Why do the work for which many are only qualified when you can live good and do nothing. That is why there are the so called jobs Americans won't do
and the other has been to not go after employers in ways that will hurt them if they hire illegals.

And now we are giving so many benefits to illegals why wouldn't they flock here?
 
Mr D?
"Not if you ask all employees if they're legal, which is what most reliable businesses do"
I googled it after I posted the question.
This comes from the EEOC site
"Pre-Employment Inquiries and Citizenship
Employers should not ask whether or not a job applicant is a United States citizen before making an offer of employment. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 12986 (IRCA) makes it illegal for employers to discriminate with respect to hiring, firing, or recruitment or referral for a fee, based on an individual's citizenship or immigration status.
Here is the kicker
"Because of potential claims of illegal discrimination, employment eligibility verification should be conducted after an offer to hire has been made. Applicants may be informed of these requirements in the pre-employment setting by adding the following statement on the employment application:

"In compliance with federal law, all persons hired will be required to verify identity and eligibility to work in the United States and to complete the required employment eligibility verification document form upon hire."

The Link



So it is illegal to discriminate against hiring illegals and you can let the applicant know you will be verifying by writing it on the application BUT you can not ask them or refuse to hire them because they are illegal
Except you can verify their status and turn them down if they re not legally eligible to work in USA
After you offer the job.

and this "As long as the document appears reasonably genuine on its face, and relates to the employee, it should be accepted.: because there are no good fakes

This seems so bizarre and a waste of time for the employer and applicant.

BTW not all illegals are Mexican.


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Horn6721,

You are blurring a lot of issues. You can't ask certain specific questions about immigration status. However, you can ask if an applicant is legally qualified to work in the United States. That is sufficient.

Nevertheless, this is all ********. Do you believe that the illegals who are building houses for GOP donors and getting paid cash under the table are actually having their immigration status verified? Surely, you aren't that naive.

Let me give you an example of how the racket works. I had a client who worked for Pilgrims Pride chicken for 5 years. He got injured on the job and hired me to represent him. (FYI - PP does not carry workers compensation insurance, which means the company is exposed to lawsuits when an employee gets injured on the job.) Very soon after PP got our letter of representation, he got fired because they verified his immigration status. Why do you think they waited five years to verify his status? It's because they didn't give a damn about his status. It was retaliation for him hiring a lawyer and pursuing a claim against them. They use it as a weapon - not as a means to actually have a legal labor force.
 
MrD
You say ," You can't ask certain specific questions about immigration status. However, you can ask if an applicant is legally qualified to work in the United States."

But doesn't the EEOC directive say you can NOT ask an applicant unless you have offered him a job?
You can't ask anyone at the beginning of an interview.
Maybe I am reading it wrong
 
Major: how many home builders are democrats? I've never known one.

Dems hire illegals to be health care providers and mow their lawns, so it is not one way. But almost all small business owners are Republicans, as it is in their interest to be.
 
MrD
Thank you for the clarification.
What reasons would someone not be qualified to work in USA?
How stupid is it to not be able to ask someone's legal status at the start of an interview but only after you offer a job? isn't that a potential waste of time for employer and applicant?
 
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