Alexander Hamilton/Politcal Correctness/Identity Politics

texas_ex2000

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Why? Hamilton is a guy everyone can get behind. Identity over accomplishment?

The guy was freaking brilliant. You can't say if he would be conservative or liberal today because the political situation was so different back then. I think everyone would have something to admire about him. Which brings me to this. With all the technology and information at our hands, it's pathetic that we fail to recognize and honor the truly worthy, authentic, and virtuous in our lives and in our history. Technology has made us lazier and more discriminating to the ideas we digest. People do not appreciate that if it were not for Hamilton and the few other Founding Fathers like him this country would be completely different, if it endured at all. We are so focused on interpreting and promoting the world through our perspective and our identity, that ironically, people have less empathy and respect for each other than in the past.

While I disagree in principle with making the first qualifying criteria a person's gender, I am all for having a woman on one of our paper currency. But there is not one American woman that can make a more deserving case than Alexander Hamilton for that honor - even to "share" a bill.

I'll list some highlights of his history in comparison to his rival Jefferson.

1) If you are into identity politics, he was illegitimately born in the West Indies to a mixed race woman in the British West Indies and was orphaned at 11. Immigrated to America to study at Kings College in New York City - now Columbia University, on a scholarship funded by a penny campaign by the folks in his hometown who saw his potential. Hamilton was an ardent abolitionist who co-founded the New York Manumission Society and Hamilton College - originally a school for Native Americans.

Main rival Jefferson, however, was a white male born into privilege into one of the wealthiest families in Virginia. According to his autobiography, Jefferson's earliest memory was being handed to a slave on horseback and carried 50 miles away to their new home which overlooked the Rivanna River. You know the rest of the story. I'm not going to assassinate someone's legacy because they were a man of their time, which Jefferson was. But I will give extra credit to forward thinkers, especially when it took courage to be one.

2) Served in the Revolutionary War. He fought gallantly in New York City leading a company of Kings College volunteers on a raid on a British armory while under fire from the ship-of-the-line HMS Asia and at the Battle of Yorktown leading three battalions on a night bayonet assault on a British fort. Can you imagine Jack Lew doing that? If that wasn't badass enough, he was Gen. Washington's Chief of Staff and central figure in the planning, execution, and administration of the Continental Army. He eventually became the Senior Officer of the Army (precursor to the Army Chief of Staff).

During the Revolutionary War, Jefferson was in the Continental Congress and served as Governor of Virginia in Richmond.

3) Author of the Federalist Papers, 1st Secretary of the Treasury, architect of the modern United States. Structured the States' post-Revolution Debt (that would have defaulted) into a National Debt that was paid down by a sinking fund. The rehabilitation of the Debt provided credit and access to capital markets for the growing US Economy. He was a proponent of a strong national military, especially a Navy, that would be vital to the evolution of the country. This was a very unpopular position at that time.

Jefferson believed in a gentleman farmer/planter paradise - a paradise, only if you were a white privileged male. Critics of Hamilton, a lot of conservatives, say he was the Father of Big Government. That's not true. You have to understand the context of the time this was all being debated. Hamilton was arguing for just a government, hopefully an effective one, that would protect natural rights (at that time would seem like he was arguing for Emperor Palpatine)...as opposed to Jeffersonian/Westerosi "gentlemen" agrarianism/feudalism which benefited the elite who already had the resources and liked the status quo. For example, without the consolidation of the National Debt the country would have gone bankrupt and there would have been another Revolution like the Reign of Terror in France. It's funny to hear some conservatives lionize Jefferson and criticize Hamilton. Jefferson did not believe in capitalism, especially as it relates to economic liberty. For Hamilton, that was the foundation of the new country and economy.

Ironically, two of Jefferson's most important accomplishments as President are extremely Hamiltonian. The Louisiana Purchase was a huge use of the Treasury and Executive Power. The other was the naval campaign during the Barbary War - sending a US Navy Squadron to North Africa to kick some Islamic pirate ***.

4) Hamilton believed in a meritocracy. People, primarily the Jefferson planters, wanted to call him an elitist in hock with bankers, which is funny considering he was a mixed-race, immigrant, bastard, orphan. He was a self-made man who didn't label folks' potential by their skin color or ethnicity. He felt if you're a patriot, honorable, intelligent, and willing to work, there is a place for you in this country.

Jefferson wrote that "all men are created equal," come on dude. Jefferson also didn't care for bankers, economics, or issues of money. That's because his family was rich. Not surprisingly since he didn't care for or concern himself with money, he died completely broke with a huge amount of debt. Hamilton of course was born in poverty and understood the virtue of disciplined financial management.
 
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If I had to nominate a woman for the $10 bill, it would be Rear Admiral Grace Hopper. Her choice would symbolize the importance of technology in 21st Century America and represent America's leadership in that field. She would also be an excellent non-partisan selection which, of course, would piss off a lot of people. Given she's a New Yorker, naval officer, and a pioneer in technology, I believe Hamilton would approve.

My real first choice as a new face on a note would actually be the Marquis De Lafayette who I would definitely consider a Founding Father. This guy was French, but was probably the soul of the American Revolution.
 
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While this is the kind of symbolism issue that rarely interests me, I will venture an opinion because, well, because what the hell. I agree with the OP, in part. Andy Jackson has been accurately described as our worst great President, and represented the worst of the Democratic party (if we want to play that game, and pretend that such ancient labels have anything to do with today's parties). Keep Hamilton, ditch Jackson.
 
If we're going to dump somebody, it should be Ulysses S. Grant.

And texex2000, I'm sure we won't choose a female military official. We'll choose someone far more PC - a feminist activist or a female politician.
 
If we're going to dump somebody, it should be Ulysses S. Grant.

And texex2000, I'm sure we won't choose a female military official. We'll choose someone far more PC - a feminist activist or a female politician.
You're not a Grant guy? I wouldn't say he was the greatest American general, but he was the commander of the Army of the Potomac. But his presidency was pretty underwhelming. I would agree with you that he should go.

Jackson is the choice of most people to get the axe - Trail of Tears, Indian Removal, slave owner, etc. Like I said before, I won't discount someone's entire legacy because part of their makeup was simply being a product of their time. Which is what he was. Here's why Old Hickory is still pretty popular (especially among democrats for most of the 20th Century - he was the founder of the Democratic Party). He was the first President not to come from Virginia or Massachusetts. He was the son of immigrants and the first "Self Made Man" President. (Hamilton could have beaten him to that if he were a natural born citizen.) He was the first President who proved that a regular American could go to the White House. And for all the criticism he gets today for his racism, the bedrock of his administration was No Special Favors to Anyone. He was the first Head of State of a country in the Western World that was truly a "Common Man." That, and the fact that political correctness is really a recent phenomenon of the last 40 years, is why he was so popular for so long. The guy was raw unfiltered populism.

Really, Jackson and Jefferson are very similar on the Constitution and government. They were also both racist slaveholders. Jackson was just a populist racist slaveholder and Jefferson was an elitist racist slaveholder.
 
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How about Oprah on Krugman's trillion dollar coin? We already have/had Susan B Anthony coins. Bring those back. Don't change the current currency is my vote. Add more if you want like a 200$ bill or something else. 100$ bills are like 20's used to be and it will likely get worse.
 
I like Grant a lot more than Jackson.
Jackson was responsible for some horrific injustice that led to the Trail of Tears. He bullied the Supreme Court.. No modern politician could have survived the coffin handbills (from a time in Florida where soldiers whose enlistments were expiring wanted to leave so they could go home and plant. Jackson required they make their own coffins before they were executed on his orders). Jackson's bad management of the economy led to an economic panic.

Grant was not a great president, but he was a good man and a great general. His cool as a battlefield manager and strategic vision were crucial to eventual Union victory. He may not have been a masterful tactician, but everybody was learning modern warfare and he learned faster than most.

Grant's courageous completion of his voluminous autobiograph while suffering from cancer in order to provide economic sustenance for his family is beyond commendable.
 
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America is all about sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Therefore, Marilyn Monroe should replace Hamilton. Maybe that shot of her standing over the grate with her dress blowing up. UT ex Farrah Fawcett's famous poster shot would be another good choice.

But, you know that Obama and the Left will want to send a message. Smart money is on Harriet Tubman. That will help to reinforce The White Man's burden and remind us what an evil nation we were.
 
Maybe Sally Hemmings? That would dispel the notion that Jefferson was racist and hated black people. He loved him some
Sally Hemmings.
 
Since people are haggling over what woman to put on the $10 bill, I suggest a compromise by putting Caitlynn Jenner on it.
 
We have a medley of pop music overdose stamps, so why not do the same for a bill. It could be rolled up for uses other than currency!!! Put Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Elvis Presley, et al all together for a group shot and put them on a bill
 
You're referring to Jenner as a male when he "identifies as" (whatever the hell that means) as a female. How insensitive you are.
yeah, I'm a bad lesbian...I'm one of those who knows that no amount of cosmetic surgery or synthetic hormones changes a male into a female...he is and will always be nothing other than a feminized male.

He'll get over it...he has plenty of money to pay the shrinks if my 'misgendering' him causes him anguish...
 
If we seriously want a woman on the currency, I'd suggest Clara Barton, selfless nurse of Civil War, Civil Servant, founder of the Red Cross, courageous international reformer....
 
yeah, I'm a bad lesbian...I'm one of those who knows that no amount of cosmetic surgery or synthetic hormones changes a male into a female...he is and will always be nothing other than a feminized male.

He'll get over it...he has plenty of money to pay the shrinks if my 'misgendering' him causes him anguish...

I don't think that makes you a bad lesbian, and frankly I don't see how this issue got entangled with lesbian and gay issues. They really have little to do with each other.
 
If we seriously want a woman on the currency

I'd bet that not one out of a ten college kids can name all the people on the $1, $5, $10, and $20 bills without cheating.

I don't think your average American gives a crap about having a woman on the currency.
 
I don't think that makes you a bad lesbian, and frankly I don't see how this issue got entangled with lesbian and gay issues. They really have little to do with each other.

It was coat-tail politics at their worst...and now the gay and lesbian population pays the price. But that is best left for a different thread and a different place...otherwise this could quickly become a derail of epic proportion.
 
I don't think your average American gives a crap about having a woman on the currency.

I'm wondering if your average American gives a crap about currency in the first place given how much spending is on plastic or electronic transaction...but why let that stop the government from entering into yet another boondoggle that wastes, umm...money.
 
Jackson prevented a southern rebellion, deserves his spot n the twenty.

Emily Morgan. No Emily...No Texas. What is the US without Texas?

Seriously, I think Clara Barton would be the best candidate.
 
I was having lunch with two higher ups today. One is my boss and a woman. The other is another banker/managing director. Somehow this came up (and I did not bring it up). And my boss, a Greek immigrant banker, said "I'm all for a woman on the $10 bill. What has Alexander Hamilton done that compares to what any of the women did?"

The other guy asked how much she knew about Hamilton. She said she really didn't know anything. Again, this woman is a banker. :brickwall:

I read an opinion piece that this was just a psychology tactic so that people wouldn't even think twice for settling on the $20. That the people at Treasury aren't really this dense.
 

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