Alabama paper--Missouri lacks SEC votes to get in

True Colors

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If this deal to join the SEC falls apart then Missouri will have an ENORMOUS amount of egg on their face.

Last year Missouri did not exactly hide the fact that they were begging for an invitation to the B1G. But that went down in flames. If the same thing happens this year with the SEC, then from a PR standpoint, Missouri will look like a bunch of disloyal morons who overplayed their hand.

Worst case scenario for Missouri....... the SEC shoots them down and they have to come crawling back to the Big 12. Then the Big 12 decides to punish Missouri for their disloyalty by moving the Big 12 men's and women's annual tournaments out of Missouri. That would cost their state millions of dollars in revenue every year.

TC



The Link

Majority of SEC presidents favor Missouri, but not yet enough

Published: Thursday, October 06, 2011, 5:30 AM


BIRMINGHAM, Alabama -- Missouri demonstrated it's ready to publicly dance with the SEC. But will enough SEC presidents agree to the overture?

Two sources familiar with the SEC's discussions about Missouri told The Birmingham News Wednesday that as of now it appears that a majority of SEC presidents and chancellors would support Missouri's application. But the sources said that majority falls just short of the nine votes required to add a new member.

One source said there's a group of presidents that wants to sit tight, believing the SEC can do better than Missouri and that No. 14 should come from the East. According to both sources, Alabama wants to look East and not risk losing its annual game against Tennessee, while Auburn favors adding Missouri and moving to the Eastern Division.

The majority that support Missouri like the school's academic profile, getting the SEC into the St. Louis and Kansas City TV markets, and avoiding the awkwardness of an unbalanced 13-team schedule. SEC athletics directors spent about four hours meeting in Birmingham on Wednesday, after which two ADs said only 13-team scheduling concepts were considered, not 14.

SEC expansion these days resides on two different tracks: the one trying to line up No. 14 and the one trying to build 13-team schedules. Both are bumpy journeys that will merge at some point, but it's not clear when or who will be aboard.

On Tuesday, Missouri Chancellor Brady Deaton received authority from his board to look elsewhere. Deaton also took the necessary -- and long overdue -- step of resigning as chairman of the Big 12 board of directors to avoid a conflict of interest.

Those actions make an Associated Press story Wednesday out of Missouri all the more bizarre. The AP quoted an anonymous Missouri official as saying the school hopes to join the SEC but preferred a Big Ten offer that never came.

"That's what's left," the Missouri official said, referring to the SEC.

Talk about a clumsy PR way to win support from the SEC, whose large ego doesn't like the appearance of accepting leftovers, especially the Big Ten's. Was this simply one Missouri official's opinion, a last-ditch plea to the Big Ten, or an attempt to sabotage moving into the SEC?

Either way, it should be troubling to the SEC that Missouri continues to trip over itself when trying to leave the chaotic Big 12. Public flirting with the Big Ten last year left Missouri with egg on its face. At this rate, Missouri would instantly become the most unstable SEC member in a conference fiercely concerned about stability and speaking with one voice.

Missouri isn't a good SEC fit. While it would alleviate unbalanced schedules and add cable subscribers for a potential SEC Network, it's a cultural head-scratcher, the SEC's version of Boston College in the ACC.

Meanwhile, SEC ADs met Wednesday to consider how to schedule with 13 in all sports with the least amount of disruption and most amount of fairness. Good luck.

The "simplest" option in football may be giving Texas A&M four teams from each division and let the dominoes fall from there.

Sure, Texas A&M could play an SEC schedule for one year but not be eligible for Atlanta. But that would be a shocking and unnecessary move by the SEC. Once you're a member, you should be a full member.

Consider the headaches in men's basketball. Changes will be necessary to the new 18-game model that would have kept two annual games between old division foes.

Then there's how to stage an SEC basketball tournament with 13. Leave one team at home? Keep five teams home? Stage a play-in game between the 12th and 13th seeds? Give the regular-season champion, which might have played an easier schedule than others, two byes into the semifinals?

Baseball could easily keep eight teams for its tournament in Hoover. But how is it determined who qualifies? Would there be more SEC games, even perhaps jumping from 30 to 36? And how might that affect NCAA Tournament bids?

Mississippi State AD Scott Stricklin said a couple of football models, which he wouldn't identify, received more consensus than others and probably affect the fewest number of current schedules. But, he cautioned, "There's a lot of moving parts."

None more so than the elephant in the room at the ADs' meeting: Will Missouri be No. 14? There's support, but not yet enough.
 
i still dont believe that mizzou will end up in the SEC.

mizzou has to be the absolute worst at managing information. why on earth would they leak that they really want a big 10 offer, but are willing to settle on an SEC offer?
 
This is funny... every time Missouri goes sniffing, they get the door slammed in their face. Feel lucky that you're still in a AQ Conference Mizzou! I don't believe Mizzou will end up in the SEC either... they have enough Kentucky's, Vandy's & ATM's!!
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Missouri'll get in.

Either them or West Virginia.

Nobody is ready to attack the ACC just yet.

If Missouri is forced to stay in the B2 conference, I suspect they will keep their options open. In other words, I suspect they will not sign the "Oklahoma handcuffs" TV contract if only out of frustration or spite.

The instability of the B2 Conference will go on.
 
Aggie just moved their doublewide trailer into the gated community and now they want to start having "opinions" about how the SEC should operate and who else should or should not get in.

SEC fan is going to get very tired of aggie very quickly.

Sorry folks, they're like vampires. You should never have invited them in.

We're so very happy you thought they were a good fit. Thank you SEC!
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Whoa, True Colors. What is the B2 going to do if Missouri won't sign the contract? Not schedule them? Throw the bums out on the street?

The B2 conference cannot force Missouri to "change the deal" Missouri's already signed and agreed to (for 13 years), so long as Missouri doesn't formally withdraw from B2 membership.

This is a contract issue, Missouri has signed the contract, and you cannot force Missouri to change the 13-year contract that you, too, have signed.

Remember, what OU and Texas are proposing is to change an already existing contractual obligation. Basically, tear up the old contract and sign a new one.

Now, Missouri may stay (perhaps for lack of interest), and Missouri may sign the new contract (because it may make them more money), but they don't have to sign it if they don't want to sign it, and there's not diddly-squat Texas or OU could do about it. Then again, Texas and OU would laugh all the way to the bank as they make more money out of the old contract.

Still, it seems to me Missouri is the one with all the power here, not Texas and not OU.
 
I wonder if it's possible to move upcoming bball tournament immediately. Signal mo that enough is enough. May encourage them to leave already.
 
I thought the deal was the schools agreed to sign their TV rights to the conference. The 13 year T2 would still be in place. A school can leave under the prior structure, they would just be subject to the exit fees (provided we can keep Ken Starr out of the McClennan County Courthouse), which is what the conference is going thru now with A&M. The agreement now between the schools, less MO, would be that if a school withdraws and plays in another league, the Big XII would still own that school's television rights.
Hook Em.
 
First, each school still has to sign the actual Big 12 BOR grant of rights proposal.

Second, as the Big 12 grant of rights proposal currently reads, all schools have to sign before the proposal takes effect, presumably Missouri included, assuming Missouri has not given notice of leaving.

This very minute, no schools have actually signed the GOR proposal because it is still in draft mode.
 
The SEC shouldn't invite Missouri. Missouri has been begging for a Big Ten invite, but they say they'll be satisfied with an SEC invite. That's a slap in the face to the SEC--the best football conference in the country. At least the Aggies went all in for the SEC.
 
Xover..... trust me on this.

If the Missouri effort to get into the SEC fails and then they are forced to come crawling back to the Big 12 then it will be a back breaker for them. Missouri will be forced to kiss and make up and play nice with the rest of the Big 12.

If you do not understand this then it means you do not understand the political and PR implications involved here. A broken and defeated Missouri will be in no position to disrupt agreements that all the other Big 12 schools are on board with. If they try to gum up the works they will be viewed as a pariah. That is the last thing that they would want. If for no other reason, they will want to convey a positive image of themselves just to get into some other conference down the road. If they come back to the Big 12 and they are kicking, screaming, and screwing up conference plans then it will make them even less attractive to other conferences.

If Missouri does come back to the Big 12 then it will be in their best interests(by far) to mend as many fences as possible and to go along with the pack as much as possible.

TC
 
Okay, True Colors, I agree with your last post.

Politically, I think MO might sign the GOR, especially since it will undoubtedly make them more money.

I have quibbled that point upthread, but perhaps I did not sufficiently account for politics, true.

My point upthread is just that I think MO could be a horse's *** if they wanted to be a horse's *** because they do have signed, valid, written contract.

OTOH, the SEC needs 14, and I still think MO goes SEC, making our entire fuss moot.

We will see in the next 10-30 days.
 
It's true that the SEC would like to even up the conference. But, they have other options besides Mizzou. Also, I don't think it sits well to the SEC that they would be used to leverage a B1G offer.

I think WVU is a much better fit for the SEC and I think they would be more appreciative of being a member than Missouri.
 
I thought that aggy handled their affairs badly the last year or so, and then I look at Mizzou.........those guys must play poker with their cards facing out.
 
This is all posturing. Give the SEC some time to mull it over, Missouri will get in. Mo is a much better choice than West Virginia for the SEC (stronger TV market). Mo to the SEC in a matter of weeks.
 

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