Aggies, how long will we be football stupid ?

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miller 58

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Can anyone tell this old Ag,
who and why were my posts deleted recently on Ag blogs?


A&M must have a new Athletic Director today; A&M football has not been out of the southern division of the Big 12 for a decade and Byrne has let the program regress badly for his almost 6 full years by refusing to hire recruiters. HE failed.

$Bill should have hired recruiters when the whole defensive staff was replaced two years ago. He failed.

$Bill should have retained Billy Clyde G last year. He failed.

Mike Sherman says A&M needs more team SPEED; and yet we continue today to recruit more slow two and three star athletes. Mike has the background to be a good x's and o's coach, but will fail if he doesn't get recruiting help, now!

Please write, phone, email or in person, tell Sherman and $Bill to commit only four and five star athletes as of today, because Ags, UT'ers, and ou' ers are embarassed to have a NON BCS team like A&M in the conference for the past decade and the forseeable future!


I'm embarassed , too!


The reason they are designated four and five star athletes is because they have MORE SPEED, are MORE ATHLETIC, and have MORE SIZE, than the two and three star athletes we have recruiting this decade. You have to recruit speed comming out of high school; every coach says "you can't coach speed, athleticism and size"!

For the last decade under 3 different head coaches and 2 different athletic directors, we have recruited the slower, less athletic, and smaller athletes, and we suck nationally for it.

Now for 09 we already have 6 commits, including the kicker, none of which have any significant stars yet. That leaves only about 14 spots to commit the four and five star athletes that we need with SPEED, etc.

UT by comparison already has 7 commits, 4 of which have four and five star designations, and 3 of which are national 100 list recruits. Now don't get me wrong, A&M offered most, and then lost head to head every one of them only because we did not hire any recruiters that can compete with UT.

lsu today committed an A&M targeted four star defensive end head to head with A&M. A&M had offered. Why didn't $Bill hire at least one coach that can recruit four and five star athletes like this DE? Just one???

UT and ou have AVERAGED signing 14 four and five star athletes every year ths decade. while we suck and don't get the SPEED Sherman says we need, by averaging signing only 6 four and five star athletes every year this decade, this whole decade.

Mal Moore and Nick Saban at Bama' show what A&M should and could do with a little intelligent effort. Nick is one year removed from the NFL just like Mike Sherman will be this year. Nick signed 9 assistant coaches known for their recruiting. Bama' has a similar record to A&M the last five years.

Nick then proceeded to signed 3 five star and 19 four star athletes in Feb 08. A&M should sign a similar class in Feb 09. We are so far behind UT and ou the last five years, that even at this rate, it would take two full years to catch up!

But Nick did a very intelligent and football winning thing, and hired 9 proven recruiters as assistants and of course they produced in the first year. A&M's staff has already been taken to school by Brown and Stoops with the Feb 08 class and now Brown is really taking them to school with the 09 class. Maybe A&M's recruiting inexperienced staff will be up the learning curve in about 3 to 5 years and start producing after that?

And yet, Sherman as of today, is still bringing in and commiting the slower no significant star athletes with less speed, the leavings after UT has already gotten the cream of the crop, and $Bill is allowing it to happen by not hiring any recruiters.

Just tell Byrne AND Sherman, as of today, stop being football stupid, and" NO MORE COMMITS UNLESS THEY HAVE FOUR OR FIVE STAR DESIGNATIONS".

Just go ahead and fill out the squad with walkons, if the coaches $Bill hired can't compete with UT and ou for the good athletes!

And terminate any contracts of an ATHLETIC DIRECTOR that can't hire coaches that can compete recruiting with UT and ou; and terminate any COACHES contracts that can't compete recruiting with UT and ou for top athletes. Terminate all of those that are out of their league in athletic directing or coaching, by the end of 08. End our shame?

Please Ags, UT,ers, ou,ers, all, write, phone, email, or in person tell Byrne and Sherman to recruit only top athletes; tell them that a decade of national shame and embarassment for the conference is enough, with A&M fielding a NON BCS team every year this decade, and recruiting to contininue fielding a NON BCS team the next decade.

Miller58 (***)

Winning coaches sign four and five star athletes, say "it's about winning", and just go out and win consistantly!

Losing coaches sign the two and three star athletes left over, say "it's about player development" and just go out and lose consistantly!
 
Shouldn't you have posted this on Texags??
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My personal opinions:


jmatt, I appreciate your patience in letting me post over here.


I'll explain not posting this on Ag blogs; it would just immediately be wiped clean.

JUST as my posting the 10 coaching hires resumes showing their past recruiting record of 2 total signings of four and five star athletes the past 5 years, was immediately wiped clean; hard for someone to con Aggies on recruiting prowess with their record right in front of you on an Ag blog?

Many of you have experienced how hyper Ag blogs are. Even some public record truth is not tolorated, if it doesn.t fit with the athletic department spin. Hell, somebody will even try to get it wiped off over here, too, even though it's all based on true facts!



For example: the party line spin was " new emphasis on recruiting" every time I read a new coach press release. (not true when you read their resumes or the results for the Feb 08 signing class).

The Athletic Deparment recognizes this recruiting problem, but has not addressed it.

So, I posted on an Ag blog, a one line resume of each of the 10 coaches $Bill hired, showing the number of four and five star commits signed for the last five years: (example) coaches name, school coached, Four and five star athletes signed: 2007 0, 06 0, 05 0, 04 0, 03 0. This was repeated for each coach!

The absolute truth with readily accessable links. The Ag blog or someone got hyper, It was immediately wiped clean.

This post today has nothing but true verifiable facts, but would be immediately wiped clean as well! ( even sans my opinions)

These resumes are a matter of public record, but did not back up the athletic departments press releases of " new emphasis on recruiting" , because it showed 10 coaches for 5 years each, had signed a total of 2 four and five star athletes and had signed 48 zeros the other years.

I have personally received emails from Ag blog moderators on different posted discussions, that said, " we know what you say is true, but we'd rather you not post it". (the truth).

I know Ags read this board and most are smart enough to figure it out, especially if given a clue?

There appears to be an incestious relationship between Ag blogs needing daily access to athletic dept coaches to do their jobs, former Ag football players both owning and posting on Ag blogs only those things favoring their former coaches, and then the present coaches are all mostly tied in with RC and Byrne.

It's common knowledge The New York Times , Washington Post, LA time, etc. won't print anything not fitting a certain agenda; and Ag blogs operate almost exactly the same way.

Hope that explains my posting this here, instead of on an Ag blog.

Miller58 (***)
 
Mitch, my personal opinions are that A&M will continue to be football stupid as long as $Bill is AD. Obviously, Byrne letting Billy Clyde G leave, screwed our basketball program as well; no final four in the forseeable future now for A&M, either.

Miller58 (***)
 
OK I'll bite.

Miller 58v2, we feel ya bro. Really we do. However the issues behind all of this recruiting, coaching, AD, etc... is not the root of the problem - your culture is. The culture that is aggy is steeped in a rich tradition of overzealous pride & prejudice. It also goes deep into the very people that hire your ADs.

Before you will ever get your wish for a better and more improved aggy, the culture will have to undergo a major facelift, or more appropriately a major anema. $Bill is just an "enabler" for the system, he's not the cause.

I for one, would love to see aggy "grow up" become a real university the State & its citizens can be proud of but until the proudest, richest & most powerful aggys decide to change - this will continue to be par for the course for you, your students, alumnus & fanbase.

On another note, I have 1st hand information that UH is looking for a few good t-shirt fans.
 
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houshorn09, your mentioning a uh t-shirt fan got me thinking.

How about trading even, Dave Maggart for $Bill and I'll even throw in RC and a $100.

uh would still be getting screwed though, but I'd do it in a new york minute!

At least, maggart has won some championships THIS DECADE.

miller58 (***)
 
The lack of quality recruiters is uphauling. You need to devote more focusness on recruiting the coaches that are going to recruit. Hiring a coordinator for recruitment of the recruiters would be a good first step.
 
Miller58***

Weak veiled attempt at portraying yourself as as Ag.

I typically don't post on the non-political board, but this post (as I'm sure others you've posted here) are ludicrous.

I know some of the horns here love your posts, but I hope they realize it's one of their own posting them.

JB
 
Miller had an aggy tag on texags, RV.

That is proof he is one of you. His incoherent babbling is further proof as far as I am concerned.
 
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RVAg91, please just check out the numbers and help Mike Sherman:

Resumes of 10 A&M coaches hired, show 2 four and five star athletes signed in years 03-07. UT and ou did 62 and 67.


RVAg91, the press releases I read all talked about "the new emphasis on recruiting", so like a stupid Ag, I believed them.

Then when I discovered the truth by checking the resumes, didn't like being conned, and wanted to get Mike Sherman some help reruiting.

I felt Ags would help so I posted the 10 individual coaches resumes showing the actual recruiting record for each year 03-07 on an Ag blog, and it was immediately wiped clean.

I know Ags read stuff over here and hope getting the word out helps Mike? Please help???


TU and lsu have 5 four and five star athletes today and A&M offered all of them and lost head to head recruiting battles.
A&M has zero!


This whole decade TU and ou have averaged signing 14 four and five star athletes athletes and A&M, with the last 3 head coaches and 2 athletic directors have averaged only 6 each year.

A&M actually committed 13 four and five star athletes this year, We ended up signing only 7. Last minute decommits and head to head loses cost us 4 of them. We had a total of 11 decommits this year for various reasons. UT signed 12 and ou signed 15.

A&M has sucked at recruiting the whole decade and hasn't even been out of the southern division.

The same AD has presided over this continuing disaster for almost the last 6 years and refuses to hire recruiters. I want changes that will allow us to be competitive again.

Please don't attack the messenger; these numbers are a matter of public record and won't change. Please attack the problem by getting some recruiters to help a good coach in Mike Sherman be successful in the future.

Mike can't do it alone and will fail if we don't get him some help today.

miller58 (***)

Winning coaches sign four and five star athletes, say "it's about winning" and just go out and consistantly win!

Losing coaches sign the two and three star athletes left over, say "it's about player development" and just go out and consistently lose!
 
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Think harder? The same Ags that will make dumb comments about how this information got out, are the same Ags that sat back and said nothing about us losing for a decade because it wouldn't be civil.

Screw civil, be intelligent enough to recognize a decades long problem in recruiting and do something about it.

Force the hire of some top recruiters by $Bill.


And JB, may I respectfully suggest that by replacing the word "are" in your post by the word "is" , your post would have seemed to more likely been written by a college graduate?


miller58 (***)
 
RV,

Your comments regarding miller 58 might have some merit were you to refute the things he is complaining about and stating as facts. Assuming his facts are accurate, then why should this type of post be censored on texags or other aggy sites??

The fact is, aggys are generally perceived by all non-ags as being the most thin-skinned creatures walking the Earth, with a generous helping of paranoia on the side. You can find hundreds of posts on this site made over the years that are AT LEAST as critical of current and former members of the UT Football, as the posts miller 58 has made on this thread. Self-critical analysis that omits or minimizes personal attacks are tolerated here and on many other fan sites. The manner in which censorship reigns on texags, etc, merely reinforces the perception non-ags have of aTm and their fans.

You can gain credibility by accurately refuting what miller 58 has to say. Your chest beating and general posts that merely say 'nuh-uh' only serve to make you another poster child of the aTm image.
 
I think I will reserve my ****-talking for when we actually beat those buttheads again.

Better be next year for sure.
 
Miller--the problem ain't the recruiting. Its the coaching. Gillespie won at TAMU with talent that wasn't highly recruited. Leach has routinely whipped TAMU despite never fielding a recruiting class as good as TAMU's.

At some point, you have to win. Start winning big and you can recruit big. TAMU's football suckitude is not because we are getting outrecruited by OU/LSU/Texas. Its because the coaching staff hasn't done much with the talent once its on campus.

Slocum had a team in 2002 that fielded 5 players drafted in the first day of the 2003. Also on that team were future all big 12 players and NFL draftees Reggie McNeal, Geoff Hangartner and Terrance Murphy. And that team went 6-6 with an upset over #1 Oklahoma. We didn't play 6 teams that were more talented than us that year, but RC coached his way to a 6-6 record and a loss of his job.

Fran, for all his faults, never landed a recruiting class that was worse than Iowa State's, yet Iowa State strolled into Kyle Field in 2005 and beat Fran by 4 TDs.

REcruiting is the next step. Step 1 is to maximize the production out of the players you have. Step 2 is to use the success from Step 1 to get better players.
 
Has a&m EVER out-recruited Texas/ou/lsu without paying people?

The reason they get out-recruited is because College Station is a ******** where the coolest place to go in town is a mall. And the people that go to school there are generally pasty white, conservative kids and the whole place has a lingering air of racism all over it. It's gonna be tough to recruit into a place like that.

I agree whole heartedly with the poster who mentioned the culture of the place. Serious changes need to take place before enough top notch athletes ever consider going to a place where fake army guys grab their nuts and it's cool to wear painted overalls and the biggest complaint on campus isn't the football team sucking, it is that they can't keep building a giant fire that is known to kill people.

You asked a question and that is how I see it. I won't sugar coat anything and I'll tell you that I kinda like watching the ags suck. That stems from the holier-than-thou attitude that pours out of the ignorant fans that seem to outnumber the good ones astronomically.

I think before you start blaming the people doing the recruiting, you should first look at what they have to recruit to.
 
The "next tier down" goes there because it is still a free ride to a Division I school and they did not get offers from the other schools you listed.

I never said that only black athletes would avoid the place. I simply threw out a couple of really ridiculous things that go on on campus that ANY athlete would probably like to avoid.

It's infinitely easier to recruit a good basketball team. 12<<<<<<100. You find one diamond in the rough (Acie Law) and you can piece a good team together for a few years. It takes 30+ football players to create a strong team. Besides basketball, what other sports have the ags actually been good enough in for you to make this assessment?

Go ahead and keep thinking it is just about ****** coaching. If that is true, you guys are on an amazing run of hiring ****** coaches
 
Ok, apparently we see things completely different. The only thing we will agree on is that the corp does stupid ****. I learned a long time ago that arguing with aggies is a pointless exercise.

An aggie posed a question on a Longhorn message board, I can only assume to gather opinions from Longhorn fans about the situation. I gave my opinion and I stand by it.
 
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Bundy, please just answer me two precise questions with short precise answers?

(1) Why did not $Bill not hire 9 proven recruiting assistants for Mike Sherman like Mal Moore did for Nick Saban fresh out of he NFL? Then mike could sign 22 four and five star athletes this year, just like Nick did this Feb 8. A&M has a similar 5 year W/L record , no whining around, just results the first year, immediately make us competitive again.

(2) Why would $Bill hire 10 coaches that have signed only 2 four and five star athletes the last 5 years and issue press releases with every coach hired abot the "emphasis on recruiting" ? They will need 3 to 5 years of Brown and Stoops teaching to get up the learning curve, and another 3 to 5 years to implement what they learned. We may as well get a hobby for 6 to 10 years and then check back on A&M football.

I would appreciate short precise answers not straying. If you can't answer, please say just that. I know I can't for the life of of me answer these same questions.

miller58

Winning coaches sign the four and five star athletes, say " it's about winning", and just go out and consistantly win!


Losing coaches go out and sign the two and three star athletes left over, say "it's about player development", and just go out and consistently lose!
 
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Bundy, of course your precise answers are 100% right, and that makes my points:

(1) $Bill has zero previous experience in hiring a college head football coach and the head football coaches staff, especially recruiters.

(2) So $Bill hired a college head football with zero college head football coaching experience and $Bill immediately delegated the hiring of assistants to this inexperienced college head football coach.

(3) So this head football coach with zero experience as a college football coach and especially zero experience recruiting as a college head football coach hired 9 assistants who had almost zero (2) experience in recruiting four and five star athletes over the last five years.

(4) So on the Feb 8 signing class, this staff got their head handed to them with last minute decommits of a 4*db to ou, a 4* de to notre dame, a 4*wr to isu, a 4*lb head to head loss with ole miss, a 3* lb decommit to la tech and signed up to 8 commits which I have seen questioned as to whether they will make it in this fall. Keep tuned!

(5) So A&M's staff to date has zero four and five star commits for 09, and has lost head to head recruiting battles with UT for a 5* qb, a 4*wr, a 4*rb and a 4*ol, three of which are on the national 100 list.

Now, Bundy, at this point knowing you, you are about to throw up your hands and say, "this sounds like the blind, leading the blind, leading the blind"! " They never tell me things like this on Ag blogs." My suggestion to you and all Ags is, just get a hobby for about 6 to 10 years, and then check back on Ag football .

(6) So this zero college football recruiting experienced AD, HC, and Staff are all to be going to football school on a 3 to 5 year learning curve on how to recruit, to be taught by the masters, Brown and Stoops. Hope they have a crash course in stopping decommits?

(7) How much lower will A&M football go during the next 3 to 5 years? Just watch the daily count of four and five star athletes each school has committed, and the corresponding W/L records each fall and you'll know.

Thanks, Bundy? (please don't let the Ag blogs get wind of this; we wouldn't want Aggies to know they are being mislead about recruiting prowess, would we? Speaking of recruiting ineptness , Texas Football is reporting A&M's first decommit for the Feb 09 class as of this Feb 08, rb Michael of Beaumont decommitted)!

Now my suggestion is you're just starting to know the real world is tough, so go back to the Ag blogs where they are telling Aggies that every thing is just great, there are still plenty of two and three star athletes out there in the Texas top 50 after UT and ou get theirs off the top, and you'll feel so much better.

miller 58
 
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