Admissions scandal

I can't remember where it was either. Might have been Louis' (which is gone), Smilies (also gone), Scholtz's, or any one of many of my favorite watering holes. The place sold primarily Shiner on tap and friday afternoons a glass was 40 or 50 cents.
 
Sholtz's had some scribble above the outside trough urinal:

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."...

...for a while, then someone edited it to read:

"I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a pre-frontal lobotomy."
 
Seattle Husker said:
I always knew it as Rocky Mountain piss-water.
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I think that was universal. That's what we called it too. The funny thing is my cousin from Florida came to visit me in college and he only wanted to drink Coors the entire time. Guess Burt Reynolds didn't drop any off to him on that big run.
 
Seattle,

I was blessed to have James H Duke, Jr as a friend. When DAC would play the Texas Opry House (always a week night particularly Friday), I would leave work, go home, run by his house and pick up Betty, stop by Otto's Hamburgers on Memorial, and take our dinner to the Opry House, where Foster would let us in the back door before the "peasants" were let in.

One Friday night, Jim is running late, and the Fire Marshall had closed admission. I could hear him bellering over the noise of crowd waiting for DAC. We finally convinced the Fire Marshall that he had come in the back door with us, but had to run to Hermann for emergency surgery. The following is the discussion as we arrived at our table:

Red: gawd dayyaam! I didn't think they'd ever snuff that son-of-a-***** out. He would not go under. I'll tell you what, I opened and closed him so damn fast that he didn't have time to bleed two drops. I needa beer"

Me: "Doc, they've got Coors and they've got Lone Star"

Red: "Son, drinking Coors is like makin love in a canoe; it's ******* near water"

I miss my friend. Although he was a died in the wool Aggie (former yell leader), he'd sit with us in our seats Turkey Day and attend our March 2 auction fundraiser - "You T-sips got the best art for sale"

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The US Department of Education and regional accrediting agencies have now joined the FBI in investigating admissions fraud at universities across the nation

Thus, there is a good chance this scandal will spread
 
Joe Fan said:
The US Department of Education and regional accrediting agencies have now joined the FBI in investigating admissions fraud at universities across the nation

Thus, there is a good chance this scandal will spread
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It's time. I hope they nail Duke basketball, Ohio State football and our friends north of the Red River.
 
There was a very pronounced difference in the demeamor of Loughlin and Huffman as they departed court. Huffman definitely had a look of someone taking this seriously and realizing that she could actually go to prison for her actions. Loughlin is acting as if this is all a joke and an inconvenience...
 
mb227 said:
There was a very pronounced difference in the demeamor of Loughlin and Huffman as they departed court. Huffman definitely had a look of someone taking this seriously and realizing that she could actually go to prison for her actions. Loughlin is acting as if this is all a joke and an inconvenience...
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Well, in her defense, she probably was convinced, along with everyone else in America, that rules and laws dont apply to liberals
 
14 people total pleading guilty, so far. Conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud has a max sentence of 20 years in prison, 3 years of supervised release and fines, but very unlikely they do that much time.




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It is going to be very interesting to see who does serious jail time and who gets delayed adjudication or probation.
 
Joe Fan said:
14 people total pleading guilty, so far. Conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud has a max sentence of 20 years in prison, 3 years of supervised release and fines, but very unlikely they do that much time.




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this is how you do it, LORI
 
There is a debate out there about the contributory malfeasance of the daughter. Hoffman forcefully argued she "knew nothing" of the scheme and I have zero doubt leaving the daughter out of the case was part of the plea. Using threats against children is a common tool for federal prosecutors.

However, I would also suggest any one of us would realize it if another person took our SAT. Or, if you were a B or C student and suddenly scored a near-perfect SAT. So while the famous mom is the most culpable and its a nice change to see federal law enforcement pursue committed Democrats for a change, the daughter was also a knowing participant to a certain level and avoided hard time. But she will probably be carrying around some emotional baggage for awhile (like when she tries to sneak cigs-in-a-cake past the guards?)

Do we think Felicity Hoffman will do actual time, ala Martha Stewart?
 
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blonthang said:
Bystander,

You nailed it.

The backdrop of all of this is a very long term societal change, some good, some not.

Let's go back in the Wayback Machine to the 1880s. The U.S./the world was mostly an agrarian population but the industrial revolution was beginning to have its huge effect. A number of farmers' kids began moving to the big cities where there were manufacturing jobs, as compared to farming a bit more predictable with regard to planning a future. The "man" paid you as long as you did your work. After 40 years you get a gold watch and can retire somewhat comfortably.

But the technologies that flowed out of the industrial revolution (transportation went from foot to horse to carriage to locomotive to automobile to airplane; communication went from town crier to newspaper to telegraph to telephone to radio to television; medical care went from folklore to vaccination prevention to antibiotics to organ transplants and orthotics) required more out of the ordinary person --- a qualification more than a strong back and eagerness, to do some of the work needed. A qualification immediately recognized without much background check --- the college degree.

So it became the accepted ticket and the accepted phrase: "You need a college degree to get anywhere today." So it was until recently.

Now, in the information age, the poorest of kids in 3rd world country can find access to any information they want via the internet. Of course primary school fundamentals are critical so that those kids have the basic tools so that they are able to learn advanced things. So it's now almost gotten to be that the "You need a college degree to get anywhere today" has changed to "Getting a college degree mostly indicates that you have the tenacity or patience to pursue and complete a 4 year program of dealing with an institution and following their rules to a project completion." This may be of value to getting the low-level administrative jobs common to very large institutions such as government, academia, large corporations, military.

It seems that the traditional "non-technical" jobs, let's say a welder or an automobile mechanic today require a lot of training to both enter and stay current with the technologies that they deal with today compared to 50 years ago.

But the "technical" job requirements seem to be changing to less and less requiring a 4 year engineering or science degree since in a large population (e.g. the U.S. of 300+ million) more specialization occurs and hiring companies want someone who is very knowledgeable in their specific field so they can benefit from the new hire right now, not invest 20 years into developing them. Technologies are changing too fast to use the old employer/employee 40 years and gold watch approach.

An example would be batteries --- 100 years ago essentially all wet acid-lead or dry zinc-carbon. Now there are many more efficient varieties, lithium-ion, solar cells, ultracapacitor, etc., and more to come. A kid with a high school education, a couple of years of community college to get a bit more of the chemistry and math needed, a PC with a home internet connection, and the 20-year old can bypass sitting in college classrooms learning a whole bunch of other stuff they're not interested in and will never use. And the free market will place a high value on these kids to prospective employers who need them RIGHT NOW to help them with further development of their cutting edge improvements. You see a lot of this with coding by non-4-year-college degreed kids being gobbled up by companies because, well, they can write code that they need. No talk of a 4-year degree in computer science.

But back to the topic of the day, the admissions scandal, it does make one scratch their heads why the elite, who can bequeath to their kids millions rather than the kids needing to get a 4 year degree to --- do what with it? I guess just to buy prestige. I mean the degrees these pampered offspring were to get certainly would not be in engineering, hard science, business administration, nursing, medicine, or law.

Just to have their kid be able to one day say "Hey, I got a degree from Yale."

Over time that is becoming less and less important than being able to say: "Hey, you know when you put your ATM card in the slot? I wrote the subroutine that verifies the validity of your card with VISA and Mastercard."
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is this a good will hunting thread? how'd ya like them apples?
 
Joe.

Agree with your post, but occasionally there is an exception.

I went to HS with a guy who scored 1540 on his SAT, yet didn't graduate with us because he failed two subjects including English.

Another scored 1400+, but let him cheat of my test in history because he was failing the class but was a really good DB.

Of course, there are those that took the test twice, first scoring 580, then 1300. Only took the NCAA a couple of months to realize something might be wrong. Baylor should have toned it down a little, but Nebraska was grateful.

Any mention of a certain RB on thread will be promptly deleted by Dion.
 
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Loughlin (and husband Mossimo) + 14 other parents were indicted again. This time by a federal grand jury in Boston. This one is a superseding indictment and adds money laundering --
"conspiring to launder the bribes and other payments in furtherance of the fraud by funneling them through Singer’s purported charity and his for-profit corporation, as well as by transferring money into the United States, from outside the United States, for the purpose of promoting the fraud scheme."
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Lori Loughlin now indicted on money laundering charge in college admissions case
 
SabreHorn said:
Joe.
Agree with your post, but occasionally there is an exception.
I went to HS with a guy who scored 1540 on his SAT, yet didn't graduate with us because he failed two subjects including English.
Another scored 1400+, but let him cheat of my test in history because he was failing the class but was a really good DB.
Of course, there are those that took the test twice, first scoring 580, then 1300. Only took the NCAA a couple of months to realize something might be wrong. Baylor should have toned it down a little, but Nebraska was grateful.
Any mention of a certain RB on thread will be promptly deleted by Dion.
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I get that. I had a friend in HS who was always a mess, disheveled, in chronic need a haircut and shirt without a food stain on it. But he was a whiz at standardized test taking. When he top 1%d the PSAT, no one who knew him was surprised. But people who only knew him by sight were shocked - "That guy!?"

But I am willing to bet you this is not Hoffman's daughter. If they knew she tested well, something they would have known well before junior year, then they would never have risked prison to get her in the school of choice.
 
If Joe Tonahill was still alive. he would get every one of them a not guilty verdict.

There is way too much here that doesn't pass the smell test.
 
There are also the lazy geniuses out there who nail every standardized test, are in the gifted and talented programs (tested very high on IQ test), but scrape by with a C average because they don't do the homework, are bored by the material, or don't bother reading and studying for the test--even a little bit. I doubt the daughters at issue here fall in that category.

All of such "lazy geniuses" I knew in high school struggled in early adulthood. Then after the real world gave them a swift kick in the butt or two, they got it together and made out allright.
 
My SIL is one of those "lazy geniueses" you speak of. She's in her 50s now and works at an Autozone, so not all them get it together.
 
It's an interesting, and sometimes frustrating, subset of folks no doubt. Henry Ford would intentionally seek out "lazy geniuses" to work on his production lines. What he found was that they would invent more efficient ways of doing the same repetitive tasks so they could slack off some more. Ford would then take these inventive and efficient ways and implement them throughout his plants, saving massive amounts of labor hours.
 
I'm wondering why the perps haven't been charged with tax evasion - if they wrote off the bribes as "charitable contributions," wouldn't the IRS have a good case for tax evasion? Remember, when the feds finally sent Capone up the river, it wasn't on racketeering, it was tax evasion.
 
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I'm wondering why the perps haven't been charged with tax evasion - if they wrote off the bribes as "charitable contributions," wouldn't the IRS have a good case for tax evasion? Remember, when the feds finally sent Capone up the river, it wasn't on racketeering, it was tax evasion.
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The Feds have not had sufficient time to work through all involved returns, but they will and unless you were the first to confess, the penalities and back taxes will be applied. The first to confess will probably escape at least some of the penalties but no one will escape the back taxes.
 
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