A Case for Romney

Bronco

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Our political discourse these days is so frustratingly bad that it really is no wonder that our country is in the general shape that it is in. The things that people look for in candidates are so backwards that we wind up electing the best talkers and sales people and we rarely get any depth or experience. I truly have no idea if Romney will be a better president than BO and I voted for BO last time around. I wanted to believe what he told us he represented and I thought the country needed what he was promising. Unfortunately, he not only didnt deliver what he promised but he has turned into exactly what he actually was all along. We all fell for the rhetoric when we should have done what we all knew to do, which is judge someone by thier actions and not their words. With that in mind, I looked harder at Romney and, frankly, I am more impressed with him at every turn. He is not the most charismatic guy around or the most dynamic speaker- but those really arent what make a good president.

Lets talk qualifications for the job based soley on actions and experience.

We can get one thing out of the way first- by all accounts Romney is a decent, moral and ethical man. Nothing in his history suggests otherwise and you know the dems have looked with everything they have.

Certainly Romney had a fairly priviledged upbringing from a financial standpoint. In typical Mormon fashion though he was far away from a trust fund baby and seems to have adhered to his beliefs in his life especially those related to charity from both a financial and time aspect.

He is obviously intelligent from an academic standpoint with his degrees from BYU and a JD and MBA from Harvard.

This is where he starts to really shine. After harvard he went to Bain and started as every other MBA graduate at the firm. To me, this is one of the absolute biggest selling points of Romney. Bain was full of smart, agressive, type A people and every single one of them wanted to succeed. He was competing against the elite in his field and he came out on top. Anyone that has even an inkling of experience with firms like Bain will attest that you do not get to the top of the firm by anything other than talent, success and a certain amount of political skill. He was handed nothing. he got to the top of Bain based on his achievements and merit. It is very impressive. His business acumen should be undebatable. It is funny to me to hear people say things like Romney used debt at Bain so that is all he knows how to do. That is foolish. It is absurd to think that he would not have been successful in whatever business career he decided to go into.

This is where he really starts to seperate himself from BO. That is not to say that BO would not possibly have been successful in the private sector, he just never really tried. Mitt did try and was successful.

The Olympics were another big achievemnet for Mitt. The scenario there is somewhat similar to what we see now. The organization was rampant with corruption, mis-management, in fighting and financial crisis. Sounds like our country and congress. In short order he organized, dealt with egos, made financial decisions, ran out dead weight and delivered a first rate Olympics that actually made money. Another example of Mitt inheriting a fiasco on all levels and turning it into a grand success.

Again, this alone was a greater achievemnet than anything BO did prior to the presidency. BO didnt have the chance to do it so we dont know if he could have done well with it or not, but we know that Mitt did.

At this point, we know Mitt is smart and capable based on his unarguable success in his business career and his running of the Olympics. This is already by far more accomplishment and preparedness for the presidency than BO had, but some still say that politics is different from the business world or the olympics where he couldmake decisions on his own. That is true to a point, but you have to have extraordinary political skills to advance as Mitt did at Bain and successfully run an event like the Olympics. However, we don't even need that as proof when we look at Mitt as Governor.

Again, the situation in Ma was pretty similar to our current situation in the country. Mitt got elected as a republican in one of the most ardent democratic states in the country. He inherited a horrible finacial mess including a huge budget deficit as well as a large debt burden. Without raising taxes on 98% of the state (in fact most taxes were lowered including capital gains taxes and income taxes-although a closing of tax havens actually increased tax revenue) Mitt balanced the budget and turned the debt into a surplus. Amazingly, he never blamed the previous guys or blamed the overwhelming majority of dems in the state govt. He simply did what he has done his whole career, which is make it work and succeed.

Again compared to BO, it is devastating. As a congressman and Senator BO proved that he is good at getting elected but little else. He was the most partisan voter according to his actions in the entire senate. More importantly, he showed zero aptitude for non-partisan governing. Again, that is not all his fault as in fairness a congressman or senator really needs to be partisan to some degree. But BO did not ever demonstarte an ability to work with the other side or manage people or get things accomplished and Romney did.

With BO, the proof is certainly in the pudding. In his 3.5 years as president he has been a terrible "leader" first and foremost. Yes he inherited a bad economy. But he did nothing to really fix it except throw money at it. he has been openly divisive and combative and partisan and full of excuses. All of those traits are fine for a Senator but none of them are fine for a president. As a leader and a consensus builder he has been woefully inadequate by any definition. And again, we arent talking about his speeches and his words- we are judging purely by his actions.

A few small examples. There are many things a politician promises and doesnt deliver on as many of those things are out of his control. I have never faulted BO for his handling of things like the wars or Guantanamo or some foreign policy and, to a certain degree, the economy. But lets look at what he CAN control. He promised to have the most open regime in history with all bills and legislation available to the country for debate and understanding. Yet, the single biggest piece of legislation he signed was so seceretive that even his own party admitted they didnt have time to read or understand the bill. BO had 100% ability to comtrol this and he failed miserably. Another, even the most strident left wingers on here and in America know that we need to make spending cuts. yet, no matter what BO has SAID for 3.5 years he hasny actually put a single one of them on paper for the public to look at. None. He personally commissioned a non-partisan debt panel to advise him on the issues and they gave him a full report and he used it for toilet paper. Never even addtressed it. He said in his State of the Union address that his healthcare plan would have some meaningful tort reform and yet the final 2000 plus document didnt have a single even token bit of reform. He actually tries to use his handling of the auto industry as a positive. Yet he basically broke the laws as they existed at the time and gave the unions a huge payout when an organized bankruptcy would have saved virtually every job and every job at a country that supplies them.

Bottom line, we cant ever know exactly how a person will act as president before they are elected but we know that Mitt is honest, smart, capable and has been successful in business, non-profit and government in his career. And we know how BO is based on his actual record.

I think its Mitt's turn. he has a proven track record of success in all of things we need in a president. Ill take the steak over the sizzle every single day.

One more little tidbit on Romney in Ma as Governor that I think is telling and a little funny. One of the things Romney did was to attempt to get rid of all tolls on a portion of the main highway (I-90) that ran through the state. Romney had the tolls looked at from a financial point of view and it turned out that the tolls didnt even cover the costs of the poeple manning the toll booths. It was costing the state almost double the amount of toll revenue to collect the tolls!!! Even more amazing was that the dems in the state were against the measureas they said it was being done for political gain. If that isnt a perfect example of why career type politicians are bad for the country I don't know what is. Everyone agrees that our finacial health as a country and our economy are the most critical problems we currently face as a country. yet we expect people, like BO, who dont even have an inkling of financial prowess to fix the problem.
 
Based on what Mitt has stated (on the record) that he would have done as President had he been elected in 2008, this country would have been in deeper **** than it currently is in. GM would be dead and there would have been mass rioting in Michigan and Ohio.

Mitt was a below average student at Cranbrook and at BYU, his Daddy got him into Harvard and he did shine at HBS. I will concede that he is smart... not smarter than Obama and no where near as well-rounded as Obama. He is a "show me a spread sheet" business guy and that is his forte. That is about it.

He has no sense of diplomacy and is frankly very naive. Confusing Sikh with Sheikh and his astonishing mis-steps abroad on easy trips to England and Israel were embarrassing.

I think he is going to be a disaster as President. The neo-cons that reigned and destroyed this country during the Bush administration are all lining up behind Romney and he is likely going to be their puppet on foreign policy and defense spending.

The Bush administration with its foreign policy, tax policy and deregulation is responsible for the **** that we are in. NOBODY could have fixed this mess in 4 years. NOBODY. This was, at best, a 10 year problem to begin with and most knew this in 2008.

IMHO, this country CANNOT afford to have Romney as President. He is likely to repeat many of the mistakes made by the Bush administration (the worst administration in American history).
 
Barack Obama made a campaign promise that he would straighten everything out. So I guess your supposition that "everyone" knew it was a 10 year problem isn't exactly accurate.

I am not a big fan of the Bush administration, but I can easily say LBJ and Carter were worse.

Who knows if Romney will be a good President (if elected). However, his resume blows the current President's resume away. Besides, few people get into Harvard without some special circumstance or privilege, including Obama.
 
We have no proof at all of the community organizer being smart. He sealed his college records.

While on topic, who got Obama into Harvard. Whose Dad got the first affirmative action president into Harvard? Could it have been Bill Ayers' Dad? That's what the mailman thought. Mailmen know. The same mailman who delivered the Ayers' mail for many many years, and first met young Barry there once.

The mailman knows all The Link
 
Wow, Hornsforever. -what a reasoned and well-thought out reply. You must be at least as smart as BO, if not a lot smarter.
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Bronco,

thank you for your well-reasoned and thoughtful original post. Some of the responses are embarrassingly simplistic and lacking in substance. I am impressed with how much time and energy you put into making your points and it does make me feel better about Romney. I am not a huge fan of his, but will gladly vote for him over Obama. You have improved my view of him considerably.
 
Well done, Bronco. I may still end up voting for Gary Johnson, but I think you made a pretty good case for Romney.
 
I want to know when did a Presdient with a pathetic record become ok or acceptable for the American People. This President's record is so bad that this is one time he doesn't want to use the words "I" or "me."

Really the only thing he attacks is the success of Romney at Bain Capital. Let's break down Bain Capital because the libs hear their chosen one speak and just echos what he says.

Bain Captial saved some businesses (but not all) that were going out of business. So yes the businesses he couldn't save lost 100% employment. The business he did save did save by having to layoff employees. For example, if he had to layoff 50% of the employees then he actually saved 50% of the employees by saving the business. But blaming Romney for not saving the businesses is like blaming the doctor who couldn't save a victim of a drive by shooting.

Like I stated in another topic, The right argues on facts and the left go after the emotions of the weak.
 
neither has much of anything to recommend them for this job. Romney has no experience in running the federal government in congress or cabinet level work. He doesn't know the players or where the levers are. Just like Carter and W and bill clinton.

And Obama never bothered to learn the legislative process after being elected to the senate----he was too busy running for president. He has made a lot of unnecessary mistakes because of his lack of experience.

He is all charisma.

Romney is all resume. He made a lot of money. In finance. Pardon me if I am not impressed.

AS for education, when are us dumb hicks going to figure out that a Harvard education doesn't mean ****? The guys who got us into Viet Nam were Harvards, the guys who wrecked the economy were Harvards and Yales and Princetons.

The Ivy geniuses got us into the mess in the middle east. None of them thought we would be in Iraq a year after we toppled the government. That is working out so well.

A bunch more of them have been hard at work trying to turn Afghanistan into a democracy. I don't know whether to die laughing or just throw up on my shoes.

Being the recipient of a potentially good education is of some use, I certainly enjoyed mine, but it doesn't mean you are capable of being a decent president.

My ideal president would have spent twenty years in congress learning the ropes and knots. Not some arrogant Ivy with a law degree or the same with a bag of money.

Bohner or Ryan would be more likely to do a good job than Romney. There are a dozen dems in congress who would be better than the Pied Piper of Illinois. Rahm Emmanuel would have been better; or Lloyd Doggett.

George Bush I or Gerald Ford types for the gop; Gebhardt was a huge missed opportunity for the dems. Boring as a mud pie but he knew where the levers were.

But we want presidents who are charismatic or entertaining or good looking.

Which is why we have had a string of losers.
 
IH35: I am aware that govenors are more likely to get elected president than senators. So what? It is easier to elect a governor because he has little or no record at the national level that can be attacked. And under state constitutions, most of them can't run an unbalanced budget so they can brag about how many balanced budgets they have run and tell us all how easy it is to do. Remember?

Getting elected is a lot easier than governing effectively, which is why voting for a governor is a guarantee that the jerk will spend the first four years learning the job.

A boring guy like Boehner or Gebhardt could not get nominated but would do a better job as president because he knows the people he has to deal with in congress and has a better idea of what is possible. But he can't get nominated because if he traipses into Iowa or New Hampshire and has voted wrong on corn subsidies, etc., he is dead on arrival.

So, a governor is a better candidate.

The only way Obama avoided this problem was that in Illinois he voted "present" a lot and in the Senate he kept a low profile and did not push any legislation of any note; he just ran for president. How did that work out?

Romney has it even easier. He can talk about all the great things he did as governor, which was with a different bunch of legislators than he is going to be dealing with in congress, or he can just disavow all his previous accomplishments. It was long ago and not at all like what Obama has done, etc......

My favorite Obama story that tells us what we need to know is that he wrote two memoirs before he ran for president in his mid forties---------this is a guy in love with his personal narrative.

My favorite with Romney is that he claimed to have wanted to be with the troops, one of the troops, in Viet Nam when he was obligated to spend his two years in France trying to convert frogs to Mormonism. And of course, the bit about how his sons were serving by helping him get elected president.

They both suck. Not as bad as OU, but bad.
 

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