8 Ole Miss Recruits stay home to avoid KKK rally

It is sad to see that stuff still going on.

Those KKK guys are cowards hiding behind those masks.
 
I have friends who are Ole Miss grads and they are anything but racist. Cant the Klan guys just join the new millenia and realize we are all equal in this country?

Someday it will happen I guess...
 
Between this and the recent Youtube of that racist dude in The Grove, my son has scratched Ole Miss off of his list.

Sounds like an otherwise fun school.
 
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while wearing an Auburn hat...nice
 
Okay, here is my take on this and maybe this is more suited for the West Mall.
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I don't consider myself a racist, nor do I in any way consider myself sympathetic to the Klan. But they are exercising their 1st Amendment rights to protest Ole Miss' decision to cave into the NAACP and drop a long-standing school song ("From Dixie with love"). This follows the NAACP's protest of offensive mascots (Native American mascots, Colonel Reb, etc.). Does the NAACP honestly think this fight song incites people to go out and be racist??

My question - where does it end?? Companies no longer wish you a Merry Christmas in fear that you'll be offended if your religion isn't Christianity. Our schools no longer pledge allegiance to one nation "under God", so as not to offend others. ENOUGH!!!

I've only seen the Klan in person one time and it did ignite a feeling of shame and hate in me. But in this fight - holding onto a tradition that I just don't find offensive - I think they have battle worth fighting for.
 
Well I now live in Mississippi and a bunch us were eating in the doctor's lounge talking about this over lunch..at least 4 are Ole miss grads..they were not happy about the whole thing. The rally wasnt really about that verse, and the Klan had no business going there. According to the guys who actually went to the Grove for the LSU game..there were only 11 guys commenting they were Klansmen..the leader of which is some 28 year old guy from Tupelo who has NO affiliation with Ole Miss. Apparently, many Ole Miss Alumni were telling them to leave. These OLE Miss Alumni thought enough that it was wrong, innappropriate, and were upset that these clowns were giving bad press to their school. The verse may not have been offensive to you, but now after integration it is to many students..therefore remove it.
By the way, the verse in question is when the students insert "and the south will rise again' at the ennd of the song..it isnt about the song which actually contains some details from the Battle Hymn of the Republic as well as other sources.
 
How did I know a bleeding heart liberal would twist what I said? If you can't distinguish the difference between what I said and the Holocaust then you're a complete f'ing moron. For the record, sure I'd be against a team calling themselves the Aryan Gassers. Are you in the group that is offended by the name Washington Redskins or Florida State Seminoles? Should we just change Ole Miss' name to the University of Mississippi Southern Gentlemen because the word "Rebel" is synonymous to racist (in your mind)? For the most part, slaves were forced to pick cotton - should we abolish all clothing made of cotton so as not to stir up those horrific memories? When does enough become enough?
Again, I don't condone what the KKK stands for and would just as soon they disintegrate. But I'm proud that SOMEBODY is taking a stance to say WTF?? For all I care, it could be a group of red-headed midgets with peg-legs. If the National Association of Pacifists (I don't even know that there is one) protested "Texas Fight" and demanded that we remove the word "fight", would you have a problem with that? There are always going to be groups of people that plant their flags into clauses and say "you need to abolish this". And I'm sick of walking on eggshells wondering if I should tell someone "Merry Chistmas" or if I should say "bless you" after they sneeze.
 
As someone stated earlier, I don't think it was the school mascot (Rebels) or the song itself (From Dixie with Love) that created the controversy, it was the chanting of "The South will rise again" during its playing.
I suppose "the South will rise again" could mean different things depending on your point of view, but it is not a statement I would go around publicly profusing. Keep in mind that this is a school (and state) with a very tortured past regarding race relations, and I can certainly see how the administration would be extra sensitive about something like this.
It was nice to see the large group of students counterprotesting the klan.
William Faulkner, an Oxford, MS native, may have said it best; "The past is not the past in the South".
 
It's unfortunate for Ole Miss that a) their traditions are under attack, and b) that the Klan is bringing Ole Miss bad publicity, and costing them recruits. However...

Sometimes even bigoted, hateful people can find themselves on the right side of an issue. Leave the school song and traditions alone. We all share the rights to life, liberty, and property (or the pursuit of happiness, if you prefer.) However, we do not all have the right to never be offended, nor to force private institutions to change controversial slogans or songs.

I despise the Klan, but I also resent political correctness, heavy-handed social engineering, revisionist history, forced associations, and any other policies and practices contrary to freedom and civil rights. As long as the Klan is not vandalizing, kidnapping, murdering, or otherwise victimizing people, they are merely loud pricks voicing unpopular opinions.

It's a rare occurrence, but on this particular issue, they happen to be in agreement with my position.
 
if there were a high percentage of Native Americans playing college football, could we display the stars and stripes? They were annihilated under this flag.
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Yeah, I'm a total f'n moron, bleeding heart. But, what kind of jackass says "I'm proud" of the KKK taking a stand. I knew you couldn't base your argument on anything. That is typical. So in answer to your idiotic questions, yes, I am someone who takes the side of a people that UNANIMOUSLY voices their opinion about the term "redskin" being derogatory. How could you not be.

I know you are somewhat uninformed about the historical context of those icons you are so proud of. If your were say 16, I probably wouldn't blame you. But as a somewhat coherent adult, I will assume you take total responsibility for your ignorance.

Therefore, I will give you one more chance to differentiate between the image of a CSA officer, who pledged allegiance to the confederate states, defended the slave owning class and a member of the Nazi party that supported the same racist, dehumanizing theories as southern religious leaders and politicians that quoted the bible in defense of slavery.

You can't. The reason you can't is it is not your fight. You have no knowledge base and lack any moral perspective on the matter. You can't defend what you wrote but you will assume it was misread. It wasn't. I provided you with a quote that you could not stand by and then you provided the peach above. You are an embarrassment.
 
Ole Miss is NOT a private school. It is a STATE school.

I have NO IDEA what the controversy is about. All I can say is that MY SON who is a junior was so turned off by the whole mess that he won"t even use his immature mind to get past the mess.

That's relevant to recruiting, It's a perception and the perception sux.
 
LakeErie, I know I'm jumping into a whirlwind, but are you saying Robert E Lee is a dark soul like Hitler is? If so, a lot of intelligent-good people would argue with you on that one until hell froze over .. to a high degree, a white boy born in New York state in 1845 fought for the North, and a white boy born in 1845 in Alabama fought for the South ,, many Southerners honor those people who were born into desperate times, and had to suffer and die for it. It has nothing to do with longing to live in an Antebellum South, or thinking any race is inferior or superior ( how those new TV commercials are getting away with saying "and you know the Germans always make great stuff" is beyond me) ... as for sympathy for the low-dog German, my father(an ultra liberal FDR man) has told me the saddest day of his life was spent in February 1945 carpet bombing front-line grunt German soldiers. Body parts flying hundreds of feet into the air
 
No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying however that Robert E. Lee chose wrongly in my opinion when he decided that Virginia was more important than the U.S. He decided to defend the institution of slavery. You have actually made my point more clearly than I could have. Millions of Germans died in World War II who may have never have killed a Jew or even wished them exterminated. That however does not excuse the fact that followed blindly and did not resist the evil that was Hitler and his devoted followers.

Likewise, any person who took up arms in defense of the Confederacy knowingly supported the institution of slavery. Nazis, like Confederate icons, did support and defend the subjugation of other human beings based on race.

The Ole Miss mascot represents someone who defended the single most reprehensible aspect of America's past. There are no grounds on which it can be defended without accepting this truth.

If anyone feels they are walking on egg shells and can't say "Merry Christmas" or "Bless You" then that has more to do with personal insecurities. Say it all you want. If someone doesn't want you to, then they will let you know. This is not a north-south, liberal-conservative issue. I for one do not use the phrase "n-word" as it diminishes the raw abusive nasty meaning of the word it represents. I don't use the word at all. I do so out of respect for the millions of African-Americans who were enslaved, raped, murdered and abused. I also do so out of respect for the millions of African-Americans that came out of slavery to rise to the highest ranks of medicine, military and social leadership. They have earned the right as Americans to not have their subjugators glorified.

If you are truly tired of all the p.c. ********, then stand up for what is truly right. Don't lump social outliers in with a desire to not glorify racism and slavery. Show the relativist that some things are important and don't ever claim that an organization like the KKK might have a point. Their very essence is the definition of evil. They have right in this country to speak, but they have no right to being heard.
 
And that way of life was what? You really expect people to buy this crap. It was a slave society. What part of this don't you understand? What part of it is defensible? You need to stop with your sophomoric History 101 analysis. You obviously cannot give a well reasoned argument, lack any understanding of what our slave culture imposed on GENERATIONS of African-Americans or are willing to acknowledge that for over two-hundred years America systematically attempted to emasculate, denigrate and subjugate an entire race of people.

The Civil War was about slavery--a way of life in the south. The KKK sprang out of this conflict, saw a resurgence in Indiana in the 1920's and rose to its present infamous state during the 1960's. All as a result of the freedom of American-Americans and the subsequent impact on american socio-cultural mores.

What was that way of life again? You know, the one that was clearly on the other side of the moral spectrum you propose. Evil is evil. The Holocaust, pogroms, slavery whether in Cambodia, Ukraine, Germany or the United States. But you keep the image of Johnny Reb being a fighter for states rights.

So, let's end this here: Hitler Evil, caricatures of America's slave holding past acceptable as long as 1.) it is used in the context of football or college sports and 2.) maintaining that image allows you to believe that the mythical p.c. police are being challenged.

Now aggy...
**** them!
 
Very good summation of the military issue. And yes, it is good the South lost. However, the basic states' rights that were fought over is indisputable: slavery. You can't view slavery as tangental to the Civil War nor can you casually refer to it as some aspect that existed in isolation. It was the cause of the conflict and its perceived end fueled southern paranoia. The Congressional Record, all major newspapers and literary figures of time the most notable speeches of the era all indicated and specifically mentioned slavery as the single most important issue. Military history is interesting, but it often does not try to examine the social, political and cultural aspects that lead to wars.
 
Again, you're twisting my words. Being proud a stance is being taken isn't the same thing as saying "I'm proud of the KKK". And while I'm at it, maybe I should clarify that I'm against slavery and genocide before that assumption is made.

Let's try to get back to the original point - people (NAACP in this case) meddling into something that they shouldn't be. This is about a long-standing tradition (playing a fight song), not about slavery or genocide or any other atrocity. As far as the NAACP and Ole Miss, I don't have a dog in this fight. But I can say with 100% certainty that if I was at an Ole Miss game and someone shouted out "the South shall rise again" during a fight song it would have zero effect on me. It may be irritating to some, but I'm sure Oklahomans don't appreciate our students ending "Texas Fight" with "OU Sucks". Would you be okay with the Longhorn Band no longer playing "Texas Fight" at a football game so as not to offend anyone?

Look LakeErieHorn, it is obvious you have your opinion on this subject and I have mine. The great thing about America is that we can both voice our opinions and stand up for what we think is right (hey look at that - I'm back to my original point). As another poster pointed out, it is impossible to not offend a select group from time to time. Here - let me demonstrate what I'm talking about . . .

**** aTm!!!!
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And furthermore.............I am caucasian and native american.............white supremicists in general need to wear masks and hide their faces because they are generally a bunch of snaggle toothed inbred fucksticks who are frustrated because of their severe economic plight due to lack of education and generations of inbreeding.
WHITE POWER?!
 
That's a tradition? If so, a vile one that even our friends from College Station wouldn't follow. I wonder if there's even one african-american member of Hornfans who would find this "tradition" anything but offensive.
 
I say let Ole Miss do whatever they want to do. When companies stop sending money, TV stops airing games, and parents stop sending their kids to the school (read that athletes)..then maybe they will understand. It's okay to think whatever you want, just don't be surprised when people who dont think what you do remove themselves from your circle. In regards to our fight song, If it said something racist..I don't think it would remain for long..saying ou sux..is on the other hand quite acceptable.
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I know, I had pork shoulder in the smoker, 6 hours from game time and really on a chance to respond to CR's final statement. Oh well, on to Nebraska.
 
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