30 for 30 Marcus Dupree got me thinking::

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orangecat1

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compare this Bo Wallace thing to Dupree. Saw 30 for 30 again the other day, noticed again the lack of attempt to control recruiting. Specifically thnking about the old man ex-recruiter for Ole Miss who was asked how much it would take to get Marcus and he said something to the effect of "oh probably about 100k+"(I don't remember the exact number)

iow, Ole Miss was never in the picture(finalists) for Marcus, but Southern Miss was because Ken Fairley somehow got himself in there. So, we're still talking MIssissippi recruiting, although the difference is Wallace is from Tenn. With the aftermath of the Cam Newton $$, I would imagine the difference would be Bo Wallace would not be told there would be a substantial contribution made to his favorite charity if he were to choose ..... fill in the blank, whichever university.(somehow they will slip him a note I guess)

Obviously Bo is not near the athlete Marcus was, and he really only fills a specific need. But the story seems to be similar, on a smaller scale.

I guess the ? remains, just like Fred remarked about Marcus, "Although I don't think so, I hope he(young athlete) made the decision"

Other disturbing thing from 30 for 30, in addition to everything else, Marcus wouldn't name names but said there were OU assistant coaches trying to help him get out of college and into the pros either during his soph year or maybe even before.

Why were these guys blowing smoke up his rear with this stuff? Technically, I guess they could claim they were talking about USFL, which was brand new. I guess they were so afraid Marcus was just there for the $, they would tell him they would get him some big money?

Obviously that fell on Switzer, made his job even harder, how do you communicate the need for hard-working practice to an athlete who is being told by current assistants he's almost out of there. ( no sympathy for Switzer, he cultivated that cheating environment, he got to live in it)
 
I'm starting to get tired of the coruption of college football. It happened in Boxing which is a sport I use to love. I haven't watched a boxing match in forever now because of that. I stick with UFC now until they get too corrupt.

Back to college football. There is a reason that only Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama, Ohio St, LSU, and USC with just a few other teams that win or even play for the national championship out of 120+ teams. Yes they get the best recruits, but sometime or other there should be a team like Hickory Indiana (Movie Hoosiers) that beats the odds. OSU is not close to the long shot of Hickory and they were blocked at the chance. Bring up all you want that OSU should have beat Iowa St, but Bama lost at home and Okie St beat 3 more ranked teams than Bama. Either way the point being is it's a good ole boys club and you switch OSU and Bama's schedule and results being the same and OSU doesn't get to play LSU because they had their chance at home already So a team like OSU has to go undefeated and win one extra game with a tougher schedule over a team like Bama.

Now we have agents or Recruiting firms making money for being the middle man and getting payments for getting recruits to go to their school. Not to mention the players or their families getting paid. College football has always been corrupt, but it seems like it's more of "we understand you know were cheating, but you can't prove it and that is all that matters" mentality now. It use to be embarrassing for the school to even be accused of having lack of integrity but now we are at the point that some schools don't really care what their perception is as long as they win championships. Really, if you don't win a championship it's not brought up. But if they win it will be brought up and the schools will deal with the perception of cheating and is well worth it to them if they win the championship.

There has to be changes and I'm afraid it won't be in my lifetime.
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When college sports, especially college football, turned into big business, it was reasonable to expect that some schools would go into business for themselves.

Winning is a narcotic for the school, the team, the fans...and it brings in bushel barrels of money for the school. New buildings get built more often at schools that win in sports. When college sports became big business, some schools that traditionally didn't win much made the investment in both coaches and players, and reaped the benefits. Since the ESPN 30 For 30 program was mentioned, go back and check out the program on the U. Miami's a classic example of a program that won because they were willing to bend, and break, the rules.

The Pandora's Box of paying for players has been opened, and all of the NCAA's actions won't stop it. Some schools, and UT is a good example, don't have to pay players, but those schools are few and far between. The rest?...they hope that IF they get caught, they don't get made an example of, like SMU, or they hope they play in the SEC, where apparently every team is coated with Teflon where cheating is concerned.
 
i dont mean for this to come off as argumentative.

i'm also aware of the illustrious track record my own institution has as far as NCAA infractions goes.

but isnt it a bit naive to think that UT doesnt play the game at all? as you said, other schools certainly are more apt to do it than others...but it seems like the landscape of CFB recruiting is shady...and that everyone plays the game to an extent.

again, not meaning to argue or point fingers.
 
Dupree committed to UT before signing day.....That alone tells me we were in the pay for play bidness. Dupree wasn't going to commit to anyone without a lot of up front cash.

To think we're currently not in the game at some level for pay for play would be naive.

I recall how I got my tix for the 1982 / 83 TEXAS- ou games, who I got them from, what I paid. I'd be a fool to think I was paying some clown that wasn't connected to the program in some way shape or form. And I'm fine with that. The kids deserve whatever they can get, as long as they represent UT on and off the field with charachter
 
The ESPN 30on30 about Dupree and SMU is a total white wash, with little or no fact finding. I continually get asked questions about those two shows. I refuse to watch either. In the case of Dupree, I understand that it shows the uncle and the preacher, but never mentions a certain "duly qualified deacon brother" (their phrase not mine). I know where the money came from and where it went, and Marcus never got any of it until after he got to Norman. Others in Philadelphia got the cash.

Akers knew DKR and his buddies wanted him out. He knew the quickest way to get him fired was to get caught cheating. No auto in NCAA history has ever been more investigated than Jerry Gray's BMW. NCAA has private investigators, who had the VIN number committed to memory.

Unfortunately for Marcus, he didn't get to make the decision and never wanted to go to Norman. More unfortunate was the hit that Richard Peavey laid on him on his last play in college football, broke both their helmets.

As for how Sothern Miss got into the picture, remember that USM is where Bobby Collins and Jeff Bowers were prior to their arrival at SMU. Cash was no stranger in Hattiesburg.

We used to laugh that SMU had over 30 cars from WO Bankston Nissan that were nicer than those driven by anyone (including Earl) in the Oilers starting backfield. (If you don't know, Bankston was not an SMU alum and indeed didn't go to college.)

For ESPN and/or ABC to parade Dickerson and Craig James on the sidelines at SMU bowl games is a total *** show and really speaks to their credibility as being an entertainment center and not a documentary producer.

Besides, who can forget Dickerson standing over Lance Taylor (IIRC) and taunting him after he was injured. Dickerson was, and remains a classless piece of **** with credibility something less than Brain Bosworth.
 
It was likely the uncle or the "deacon". Marcus' mother was very pleasant to talk to, particularly on Sunday evenings after she got home from church. One Sunday evening, she turned stone cold and it was over. Debts had been paid and we were no longer a consideration.

I assume they showed a current day Marcus? He's wider than that mobile home.
 
Thanks for the correction. I realized after the post that Taylor was 79 and Leiding was 83. Tried to edit, but it wouldn't let me.
 
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Does Willie Morris tell where the money came from, who got it, and what it paid? I'm sure not. If it does, then all of that would be common knowledge, and certain people would not have been available to participate in the 30on30 series.
 
That's interesting...I never saw that story in the DMN. IF there were widespread benefits being given to UT athletes back in the eighties, then UT should have been appropriately punished, just as other SWC schools were. Not to be trite, but the argument that "everybody else was doing it" is NOT a justification for cheating. Nobody should be naive enough to think NO extra benefits are handed out at any school, but from the outside, it appears UT does a better than average job these days of adhering to the rules. UT's reputation, location, and facilities are so good that recruiting should never suffer these days.

Reference the Dupree recruitment by UT, I seem to recall our illegal inducement to him included a new pair of boots. Maybe somebody else remembers that story better than me...I've slept since then.
 
Coolhorn,

Marcus came to Austin with some cash of his own. He wanted a pair of boots, and was taken to Shepler's. Akers told the coach not to let him get them until after Fred had gotten permission from Dupree's mother. Marcus in the meantime left Shepler's with the boots, which had not been paid for. Fred thought Marcus paid for them, Marcus thought the coahces paid for them. Shepler's called Belmont after Dupree was gone to tell them they had not been paid. Boots were not paid for by the Dupree family.
 
Thanks for the refresher Sabre...I remembered the story involved Dupree, Shepler's, and a pair of boots. The rest has gotten foggy as I got older.
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The DMN "article" is most humerous. You have to know the people in the article to appreciate it. Can't beleive that Russell Erxleben isn't mentioned, since he and Tony Herry were partners in that "agent/management" business.

I also seem to recall how embarrassed Tony Degrate was by that MB 500.
 
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