2021 Recruiting - Football

VYFan said:
One important thing is how hard it is for “regular” people from those high schools to actually go to UT. Here, kids with 4.0 GPA and 1400 SAT—real example this week—don’t get into UT.
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Really? That would have been sufficient for Plan II when I went to school.

Is a perfect SAT still 1600, or was the scale changed?
 
BurntOrangeLH said:
Tell that to Alabama, Clemson, LSU, aOSU, Oregon, Georgia .......

No time to be provincial if a school wants to recruit the best talent like we did in AZ and SoCal. Errrbody from Errrwhere. The only question is buy in and effort.

Might recall that Akers took the best player from Ohio and Oklahoma.
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Realize it's about effort and return. If you have a super talented kid in Texas that wants to go to Texas vs. a slightly better kid in SoCal that is being recruited by everybody, do you put all that effort into the SoCal kid, knowing the chances of return are slim, or just go for the low hanging fruit. There is lots of great talent in the state, and many of those kids want to go to Texas. They should be the priority and then you turn to putting all your effort into the elite athletes and try to win them over.
 
BurntOrangeLH said:
Really? That would have been sufficient for Plan II when I went to school.

Is a perfect SAT still 1600, or was the scale changed?
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My son got in, with a 4.5. A number of his friends, some with 4.0, didn't. It's pretty common knowledge, at least at his school, that if you want to get into UT, you better take AP classes, and do well. Pretty crazy for a state school.
 
UTexRulz23 said:
Back to 1600. (A few years ago, writing was separate and it was a 2400.)
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Yeah, I had to take ECT (English Comprehension Test ) the same day and did not do too well. Retook it a week or two later and improved 200+ points and was a minor sensation some division because I was told "You should not be able to do that." Never understtood that.

I wonder what Plan II requires now?
 
CreakyHorn said:
My son got in, with a 4.5. A number of his friends, some with 4.0, didn't. It's pretty common knowledge, at least at his school, that if you want to get into UT, you better take AP classes, and do well. Pretty crazy for a state school.
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I wonder how much of that is grade inflation? I know one girl n my class of 600+ got a 1600 SAT when I was in high school and I think she was the valedictorian. I don't believe she had a perfect grade point average though. Certainly not over 100.
 
CreakyHorn said:
My son got in, with a 4.5. A number of his friends, some with 4.0, didn't. It's pretty common knowledge, at least at his school, that if you want to get into UT, you better take AP classes, and do well. Pretty crazy for a state school.
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I think it's at the point where around 3/4 of the sort of kids that used to go to UT-Austin are now looking at the UT satellites (UTSA, UTA, UTEP, UT-Tyler, etc.) if they want any sort of UT degree. Meanwhile, UT-Austin is skimming some of the sort that used to end up at Rice or the Ivies.

These boards seem to have a lot of mindless California hate, but it seems that we're going the way of the UC system--with UC Berkeley and UCLA being elite schools that are very hard to get into, and the UC-Irvines, UC-Davis, UC-wherever, taking most of the kids that would have gone to Berkeley or UCLA a generation or two ago.

As far as 2021 football recruits go, it's pretty clear that they need not meet the same admissions standards as other students.
 
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ViperHorn said:
Zucker, the HS coaches control access to the kids. If they like you the kid gets all of the mail from that school as soon as it arrives. If they don't like you the player will get the letter at some point. Then if the college coaches try to go around the HS HC and contact the kid directly, that college coach and school become persona non-grata.

It happens; I experienced it in 68 and 69, and I was just a fast white boy who could run the intermediate hurdles.
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Much respect to you, VH....seems like in today's world/technology/communication possibilities, any person (head coach) trying to stop communication is like a barbed wire fence in Amarillo trying to stop a north wind....
 
BurntOrangeLH said:
I wonder how much of that is grade inflation? I know one girl n my class of 600+ got a 1600 SAT when I was in high school and I think she was the valedictorian. I don't believe she had a perfect grade point average though. Certainly not over 100.
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It’s roughly 200 points higher than it use to be. 1400 is the new 1200.
 
I know this is a recruiting board so forgive my frustration post. My son had UT as his top choice, actually had decided to follow my footsteps in LHB. 95.5 GPA (equivalent of 4.0). 1390 SAT. Keller has a very competitive class this year and he isn’t close to top 6% for guaranteed admission. Didn’t get accepted but was offered CAP program meaning he would have to do first year at another UT system school like UTA, UTSA, UT-Tyler, etc. But the CAP only guarantees school of Liberal Arts and unlikely for Engineering which he is set on. He’s been accepted to UTA with a great scholarship package (can’t use it if he goes there for CAP) and has been accepted to Purdue which has an outstanding Engineering school.

So now his thought is if he really wants to go to UT instead of taking the CAP, he should just go to UTA and bust his butt to make a 4.0 and roll the dice that he can get accepted as a transfer. Purdue has rolled out the red carpet and really wants him so now my guess is I am probably going to be spending parents weekend next fall in West Lafayette (damn sure better not be OU weekend).

I can’t help but wonder if we moved out to a smaller city with less intensity on academics like Sanger/Boyd (no offense to those schools) that he would have had a better chance at top 6% and guaranteed admission.

OK back to 2021 recruiting- we better get the Brockermeyer twins!!
 
BurntOrangeLH said:
Tell that to Alabama, Clemson, LSU, aOSU, Oregon, Georgia .......

No time to be provincial if a school wants to recruit the best talent like we did in AZ and SoCal. Errrbody from Errrwhere. The only question is buy in and effort.

Might recall that Akers took the best player from Ohio and Oklahoma.
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You missed my point. Texas has to go out of state because Texas no longer has an open door to Texas talent.
 
ViperHorn said:
You missed my point. Texas has to go out of state because Texas no longer has an open door to Texas talent.
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Yeah, Texas really missed on all those safeties and CB in 2018, and the QB and DL recruits this year are so second rate!

In reality, the front door of Texas is always open for any qualified recruit. Times have changed so that kids don't grow up within 15 miles of their home, never even going beyond the next County anymore. It behooves any good program to get the best player they can get who wants to study at the University of Texas and play in Herman's system. Welcome to Modern College Football.
 
BurntOrangeLH said:
Yeah, Texas really missed on all those safeties and CB in 2018, and the QB and DL recruits this year are so second rate!

In reality, the front door of Texas is always open for any qualified recruit. Times have changed so that kids don't grow up within 15 miles of their home, never even going beyond the next County anymore. It behooves any good program to get the best player they can get who wants to study at the University of Texas and play in Herman's system. Welcome to Modern College Football.
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We are agreeing that Texas has to go out of state for above average players. I am not sure of your stance on why. Mine is to make up for losing players to all of the schools you listed because Texas has pissed off a number of HS coaches who are the gatekeepers.
 
Well, we're not a top ten program right now, and will get "raided" by those top ten programs. Texas just needs to start winning 10 plus games a year and the recruits will stay home/come to our state and call it home....
 
mchammer said:
It’s roughly 200 points higher than it use to be. 1400 is the new 1200.
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My sons were both A students with 1200 type SAT scores (both are a lot smarter than me) but did not make the cut for Austin. We were disappointed but both got UT - Dallas business degrees, have $0.00 student debt and got pretty good jobs, so it turned out well.
 
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Chop said:
I think it's at the point where around 3/4 of the sort of kids that used to go to UT-Austin are now looking at the UT satellites (UTSA, UTA, UTEP, UT-Tyler, etc.) if they want any sort of UT degree. Meanwhile, UT-Austin is skimming some of the sort that used to end up at Rice or the Ivies.

These boards seem to have a lot of mindless California hate, but it seems that we're going the way of the UC system--with UC Berkeley and UCLA being elite schools that are very hard to get into, and the UC-Irvines, UC-Davis, UC-wherever, taking most of the kids that would have gone to Berkeley or UCLA a generation or two ago.

As far as 2021 football recruits go, it's pretty clear that they need not meet the same admissions standards as other students.
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I know these difficulties don’t directly keep our recruits out, but my point is—as shown in a lot of these posts— that many strong UT families across the state now have kids at our rivals’ schools, and that begins to destroy loyalty. I was directing that at why the HS coaches themselves might be in that position with their own families and friends.
I think you probably got that, but I just felt like repeating myself
 
VYFan said:
I know these difficulties don’t directly keep our recruits out, but my point is—as shown in a lot of these posts— that many strong UT families across the state now have kids at our rivals’ schools, and that begins to destroy loyalty. I was directing that at why the HS coaches themselves might be in that position with their own families and friends.
I think you probably got that, but I just felt like repeating myself
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If anything, that is an indictment of the current state of public education in Texas.
 
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