2011 RB Brandon Williams

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ATX_HORN

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Verbals to Baylor...looks like the Big 4 RB's are now
down to 3. Suprising since he was sked to attend our
2nd junior day.

This makes getting Malcolm Brown even more critical, IMO
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Wow. Stunning development. Cannot believe he did that, and to Baylor? What is he thinking? I'll won't be surprised if that doesn't stick.
 
Yes, good day for Baylor fans. Along with our surprising new president.

There are enough good running backs to go around, and it sounds like ya'll are in a good position for Brown. I'm very excited about getting Williams though.

Quick questions... Scout shows Williams as having an offer from Texas, but I haven't seen that anywhere else. Does he? Or is he lined up for one after he comes to the next junior day?
 
another potential huge RB loss for us. let's be honest.. it's been ugly since the JC recruitment for the 2005 class. it along with OL, have to be the 2 biggest target positions. though OL is weak in the state this year, RB is strong. not getting one of the big 4 would be a travesty.

williams was supposedly a big texas fan. him going to baylor means one of several things:
1) he was in love with baylor from due to the early recruiting and chance of immediate PT
2) he was not in love with our RB scheme or our RB coach
3) he was insulted by being a 2nd day jr invitee, with offers already out to brown and green (and a potential offer as an athlete rather than a running back)
4) family or religious issues that we don't know about

whatever it is, we now have to work on getting brown, sims or green. the prospects:
brown - generally pretty good. by far our best best chance at a top RB. may commit earlier and lock up the position.
green - getting better, but given his more extended recruitment (for some reason i see a hat ploy in january), i see NU beating out USC
sims - previously thought a ou lean (and still is by many), we've made up ground. but i'm not betting on this one at all.
 
I would think that Newton, Whaley, and Shead would take exception to your comments Colt. I know there are a few we would have liked to have but we didn't really miss on many we offered the past 4 years. Those that we did miss on I'm glad we did.
Aslo, I suspect that Williams knows he is number 4 or 5 on our take list. That probably had more to do with it than anything.
 
thanks gohornsgo.. listen, tre is one of my favorite players, and i think he's got a lot of potential for us as a rb. but the fact is we missed out on 2 5 star rbs that year, never mind hind site. for all we know, scott or calhoun could have developed into studs in our program.
 
texas jack.. that's why i said potential. everything's fine IF we get brown. i like green a lot, but i think we need a guy like brown to run 20 times a game.
 
"Great, let's actually see them do something about it. Shead obviously hasn't played yet. Whaley decided eating a lot was more important than playing football at UT, great dedication. Newton was a middle-level recruit and while he's a solid player and gives great effort, he's no wunderkind talent. The point is indisputable that UT has had a rough time getting top-tier RB talent to come to ATX since JC FIVE YEARS AGO."

Not trying to be ugly here, but the point is not "indisputable" just because it is your opinion. We did not offer Calhoun for very good reasons. We all saw how Scott turned out..he was a failure at Colorado. Can anyone here say they really wished we had him?

How can you say Newton is "no wunderkind talent" after one year? He did a great job in the scheme he was in. As for Whaley, you have no idea why he was redshirted. He was asked to lose weight, but he also had a a lot to learn about being a running back at the college level. This centered around pad level, running behind his pads, speed of the game, etc. To say he was more interested in eating than playing is an opinion, not a fact. Whaley may end up at TE, but he is getting a solid look at RB and has worked his tail off and impressed in his short time in the fall. This comes from the coaches.

Would I love to get a 5* back? You bet. I want Brown above any of the others and he and Greene are the number 1 targets on our take board. They both have offers. No one did anything wrong with Williams. He simply knew he was the 4th guy on our list.
 
It's not ugly, no need to qualify.

The fact is it has been a long, long time since we've gotten a running back recruit that either was extremely highly rated (at or near 5* level) or even that a good majority of fans were excited about. There will always be the sunshine pumpers being hopeful about the lone RB in the class regardless of his skill (Whaley, Shead, etc.), but a truly great RECRUIT is a guy everybody talks about. I'm not talking about production, but obviously we have seen none of that either.

Newton is not a wunderkind talent because he has mediocre speed, minimal shiftiness, isn't a power running back, and is not particularly explosive in any way. These are many of the most important factors that contribute to talent. I'm sorry, he could turn out to be a phenomenal player (emphasis on could, meaning I give it a low probability) in that he could run for 1,400 yards and he still would not be a particularly talented guy.

If you don't believe that Whaley was a RS because of his weight gain, then I don't know what to tell you. I have read where coaches said they were disappointed he was not in shape (no, I don't have a link) and it is common knowledge that that is the reason he didn't play. If you don't believe me or the rest of the Longhorn fan base, I don't think there's anything I or any of them can do to change your mind. It's not like they were saving a year for him because of all the miraculous playmakers in from of him...
 
Oh and the main guys I'm upset about are Mike Goodson and Christine Michael. There was no reason not to recruit the latter. Only taking one back in a class is not a good reason. Goodson's situation was a cluster f. He would have come here if not for Moody committing first, who then decommitted (thank God). Goodson was obviously the better player, we should have taken him first. That whole situation was just dumb...

And no, Texas Jack, McGee and Hales were not "higher-rated" recruits. JC dropped in Rivals at the very end (what a surprise for a UT recruit, never seen that before). He was widely seen as a near-5* level at the time to finish at 57 (tied with Vondrel McGee). Hales at 53 was a WR take for us all the way...
 
"If you don't believe that Whaley was a RS because of his weight gain, then I don't know what to tell you. I have read where coaches said they were disappointed he was not in shape (no, I don't have a link) and it is common knowledge that that is the reason he didn't play. If you don't believe me or the rest of the Longhorn fan base, I don't think there's anything I or any of them can do to change your mind. It's not like they were saving a year for him because of all the miraculous playmakers in from of him..."

Go back and read my post. I clearly said the weight was an issue. But, it was not the only issue. I can only pass on what I know. If you want to hang it all on weight, there is nothing I can do to change your mind either.

Finally, how do you think Shead would have been viewed if he put up those numbers in 3A, 4A or 5A? I really don't think we are saying that much different. We both want a 5* RB. I just was not as enamored with Scott, Goodson, Michael, and certainly not Calhoun (for other than potential reasons).
 
Go,
Goodson's production dropped every year at a and m and he left "mysteriously" before his senior year under odd circumstances (no one ever really said why-even Sherman dodged it). It's tempting to drop the old "dumb aggie coach" line on it
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, but you have to believe Sherman wanted all the bodies he could muster then.
Christine Michael is good, but for me he hasn't shown anymore than Newton, with more opportunity at playing time and carries (166 for Michael, 116 for Newton ). I guess it would be fair for me to say the jury is still out. He did average a little over 5 ypc, and Newton a little under.
 
Wow. Stunning development. Cannot believe he did that, and to Baylor? What is he thinking? I'll won't be surprised if that doesn't stick.

Easier Acadimics possibly but hey with Griffin under center that could be a farily good dual threat. Plus a better chance of earlier playing time.
 
"you had me going until you said this. Goodson has proven a world more than tre newton has. Goodson had speed to burn. "

Clear Lake,
too many "Michaels" here. We were bantering back and forth on Christine Michael, and Michael Goodson. I was not talking about Goodson in that comment, thus the reference to "Michael" (I fixed it to read more clearly now). I was talking about Christine Michael.

BTW, Goodson only had about 1900 yards in three years at a and m. Good, but not great. Plus, he dropped every year after his freshman season.
 
It's difficult to rate players from different classes. Charles, Hales, McGee, and Whittaker were all 4*. Of the 4, Charles had the highest in-state all positions ranking, but had the lowest national RB ranking. Hales had the highest national RB ranking. It's all strange, and unfortunately it doesn't really matter. Interesting note in 2008 Mack signed like 4 RB's, although some have moved positions, and Monroe was signed as a DB.
 
The problem, IMO, is an erroneous attempt at correlating our lackluster running game in '08 and '09 with our RB recruiting.

There are many factors besides RB personnel which determine the success of a team's ground game, including OL personnel, scheme, etc.

Given what they had to work with when they took the handoffs, my only real gripe about our RBs is their vision and decision-making. McGee and Whittaker, in particular, simply haven't shown the aptitude for seeing, reading, and executing the Zone plays. Newton's reads and decisions, otoh, are excellent, which is why he emerged as the main guy in 09.
 
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