2010 OU Class has......
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everybodygodeep
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They do the same thing to make their only claim to fame in Academics: They have the highest amount of National Merit Scholars - hiding the per captia down at the bottom of were it appears. They have gone to 32 states to get kids to come to Oklahoma, given them a tuition and books scholarship, buy them a laptop, basically a bribe to come to OU. The state is giving a lot of money to out of state kids so they can run that line out there - the whole marketing campaign of the university is based on that - they have little else to brag about.
Many of the more prominent Universities have pulled out of the National Merit Scholar program (Cal, even UT is considering it) because NMS are based on the PSAT scores - a very unreliable measure of academic success.
Many of the more prominent Universities have pulled out of the National Merit Scholar program (Cal, even UT is considering it) because NMS are based on the PSAT scores - a very unreliable measure of academic success.
OUEngineer
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Dude, I didn't know Calvin Barnett signed with you guys. You didn't even get the #2 player, Austin Haywood. Cobbs is #3.
Oklahoma produces maybe 10 kids who are 'OU' caliber every year. Some years, it's more. Some years, it's less. We generally sign the top kids in-state, but have missed out a few years (Meachem, Barnett). Texas faces the same issue at the top in given years (AD, Tommie Harris) The difference is Texas has about 50 kids who are high-major recruits.
Oklahoma produces maybe 10 kids who are 'OU' caliber every year. Some years, it's more. Some years, it's less. We generally sign the top kids in-state, but have missed out a few years (Meachem, Barnett). Texas faces the same issue at the top in given years (AD, Tommie Harris) The difference is Texas has about 50 kids who are high-major recruits.
notreally
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someone was telling me there were more 5A schools in the metroplex than the entire state of oklahoma. get over it. we went national this year. that's the way it goes sometimes. we didn't do as well as we liked in texas, but made up for it elsewhere. the focus will still be texas, texas, texas.
you'd think after 50 ******* years you all would be used to it.
you'd think after 50 ******* years you all would be used to it.
HousHorn09
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notreally
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true, it's not the most exciting state in the union... but this is about football.
i live in texas, you don't have to tell me. but they aren't "poaching" talent anymore than anybody else. that is a really dumb thing to say.
you sure don't seem to mind going and "poaching" in basketball. what's the difference? oh, that's right, texas doesn't have as many basketball players as football players..... or there are other marquee schools that can compete with you.
so in 09 50% of your class was from out of state. in 08 50% of your class was from out of state. 07 was 60% OOS.
so don't give me that ********. you are no different than us. you get the best players you can get no matter where they are from. in football, you dont' have to go far. in basketball? well, you are the same.
what about all those poor texas kids that you encourage to "stay in state?" in basketball? or is that a football only thing? you only really care about texas kids stayin in texas for football.
which really means.... "stay in texas and go to second tier program because we didn't want you".... instead of going to a place like oklahoma or oregon, and being a star at a major program.
yeah, you got it all figured out.
i live in texas, you don't have to tell me. but they aren't "poaching" talent anymore than anybody else. that is a really dumb thing to say.
you sure don't seem to mind going and "poaching" in basketball. what's the difference? oh, that's right, texas doesn't have as many basketball players as football players..... or there are other marquee schools that can compete with you.
so in 09 50% of your class was from out of state. in 08 50% of your class was from out of state. 07 was 60% OOS.
so don't give me that ********. you are no different than us. you get the best players you can get no matter where they are from. in football, you dont' have to go far. in basketball? well, you are the same.
what about all those poor texas kids that you encourage to "stay in state?" in basketball? or is that a football only thing? you only really care about texas kids stayin in texas for football.
which really means.... "stay in texas and go to second tier program because we didn't want you".... instead of going to a place like oklahoma or oregon, and being a star at a major program.
yeah, you got it all figured out.
LonghorninAustin
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Texas has already withdrawn from the National Merit Scholar Program. Fall 2009 was the last year.
notreally
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i understand that husker, but what 18 year old is going to stay in state to help build the program at UTEP? SMU? baylor? houston, rice, too many mediocre programs that will NEVER sniff what oklahoma has accomplished. so it is an easy choice for them. sure it is easy to sit back and say, stay in state, and build these programs. but the truth is that playing at oklahoma or oregon is still ten times better than playing at TCU. it just is. even if they are going undefeated every year.
that is a lot to ask of single 18 year old. and it just isn't realistic. if my son wasn't recruited by texas and had the talent to play at michigan..... i'm not sending him to houston out of some state pride thing, that really, a lot of people don't share with you.....
and as for basketball? no responses on that? i mean, what is the difference?
that is a lot to ask of single 18 year old. and it just isn't realistic. if my son wasn't recruited by texas and had the talent to play at michigan..... i'm not sending him to houston out of some state pride thing, that really, a lot of people don't share with you.....
and as for basketball? no responses on that? i mean, what is the difference?
allweatherHorn
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I am going to have to side with our OU poster on this one. School interest and loyalty are not determined by geographic origins. When it comes to football, and largely only football, OU is a powerhouse. If a kid wants to go there, and feels a loyalty to that place, good for him. For our part, we want the best damn players we can get. I wouldn't want to give up a guy like Hicks on the "principle" of regional loyalty. Fortunately, a lot of talented players are in our backyard. But some great ones aren't. Ricky Williams, Quentin Jammer, etc. -- now Jordan Hicks and Demarco Cobbs. And our dealings in basketball are a really good analogy. Kevin Durant! Are you kidding me? We have been blessed with OOS talent despite our in-state riches.
notreally
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well sure there are, but norman is a better college town than most. it is very close to okc for anything you can't get done in norman, but norman is a decently sized nice little college town. the only thing they are really missing is nightlife.... and most go to OKC for that anyways.
fort worth and oklahoma city are VERY comparable. bricktown and sundance square are pretty much exactly the same. have you been to okc lately? i mean seriously, they are very close in terms of things to do.
i know you all like to hate on everything oklahoma, but the fact that we can sign guys out of san diego and florida should tell you that it isn't a bad place to go to school.
depending on what it is you want, it is better than:
houston: urban commuter scool
el paso: it is el paso
lubbock: i would MUCH rather live in norman. if you don't agree, you might want to go to both back to back.
rice: great school, but they'll never be a good football school.
baylor: waco makes norman look like boulder
TCU: nothing wrong with TCU except they play in MW and can't sell out their 35 thousand seat stadium.... ever.
SMU: c'mon man. some day, maybe.... but even then SMU is a private school with very low enrollment.
so the only better "college towns" in all of texas are MAYBE bryan college station..... and that is a big maybe. because if you aren't into wranglers and trucks (at least that is what it seems like when i visit), then it might not be the place for you. i'd probably put san marcos in first place if i were picking.
austin is not a college town. sorry, but college towns don't have mulitple freeways and five oclock rush hour. it might be one of the coolest cities in america, but it just isn't a colllege "town" anymore. sorry.
not to mention, that in the recent study, UT had two of the most dangerous campuses in the nation (west campus had two entries in the top ten in per capita crimes). so it is definitely a city.
different strokes man...... and OU has a lot of things that none of your state schools can offer, all in one package. some are better at academics, but are too small.... others have neat campus life, but crappy football programs. and so on, and so on.
fort worth and oklahoma city are VERY comparable. bricktown and sundance square are pretty much exactly the same. have you been to okc lately? i mean seriously, they are very close in terms of things to do.
i know you all like to hate on everything oklahoma, but the fact that we can sign guys out of san diego and florida should tell you that it isn't a bad place to go to school.
depending on what it is you want, it is better than:
houston: urban commuter scool
el paso: it is el paso
lubbock: i would MUCH rather live in norman. if you don't agree, you might want to go to both back to back.
rice: great school, but they'll never be a good football school.
baylor: waco makes norman look like boulder
TCU: nothing wrong with TCU except they play in MW and can't sell out their 35 thousand seat stadium.... ever.
SMU: c'mon man. some day, maybe.... but even then SMU is a private school with very low enrollment.
so the only better "college towns" in all of texas are MAYBE bryan college station..... and that is a big maybe. because if you aren't into wranglers and trucks (at least that is what it seems like when i visit), then it might not be the place for you. i'd probably put san marcos in first place if i were picking.
austin is not a college town. sorry, but college towns don't have mulitple freeways and five oclock rush hour. it might be one of the coolest cities in america, but it just isn't a colllege "town" anymore. sorry.
not to mention, that in the recent study, UT had two of the most dangerous campuses in the nation (west campus had two entries in the top ten in per capita crimes). so it is definitely a city.
different strokes man...... and OU has a lot of things that none of your state schools can offer, all in one package. some are better at academics, but are too small.... others have neat campus life, but crappy football programs. and so on, and so on.
nych 1
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Article in ESPN by Scoop Jackson. People in the comments section state that this is biased against Oklahoma City.The Link
Here the quotes from the OKC Thunder players:
It's not Miami or L.A., but it's cool here. Real chill." (Kevin Ollie)
"I come from a big city [Washington, D.C.] You can get tired of tall buildings after a while. (Durant)
"It's not like the selection of women is off the charts here." (unnamed player)
"People always ask, 'Wouldn't you rather be in Miami or L.A.?'" Durant said. "I always tell them, 'No.' This place is perfect for me."
By the way, I am doing the 10th anniversary Oklahoma City Memorial Marathon and will definitely check out Bricktown (as well as the memorial site). Is there anything to see in Norman? (I think there is a casino nearby)
Here the quotes from the OKC Thunder players:
It's not Miami or L.A., but it's cool here. Real chill." (Kevin Ollie)
"I come from a big city [Washington, D.C.] You can get tired of tall buildings after a while. (Durant)
"It's not like the selection of women is off the charts here." (unnamed player)
"People always ask, 'Wouldn't you rather be in Miami or L.A.?'" Durant said. "I always tell them, 'No.' This place is perfect for me."
By the way, I am doing the 10th anniversary Oklahoma City Memorial Marathon and will definitely check out Bricktown (as well as the memorial site). Is there anything to see in Norman? (I think there is a casino nearby)
notreally
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bricktown has really come along. they have really done a fine job down there. if you ever went to downtown okc before bricktown, you would understand just how far it has come.
yeah, there is big casino in norman, but there are big casinos everywhere around okc these days. yukon, shawnee, etc.... all have large casinos.
bricktown is still cheesy, and is mostly made for people to have something to do downtown. but it's no worse than sundance square or even the riverwalk. all are cheesy.... but that is what happens when you manafacture an area like that.... instead of it creating itself.
anyway, as far as things to see in okc, i would highly suggest the cowboy hall of fame. that is a pretty neat thing to do and doesn't take too long.
yeah, there is big casino in norman, but there are big casinos everywhere around okc these days. yukon, shawnee, etc.... all have large casinos.
bricktown is still cheesy, and is mostly made for people to have something to do downtown. but it's no worse than sundance square or even the riverwalk. all are cheesy.... but that is what happens when you manafacture an area like that.... instead of it creating itself.
anyway, as far as things to see in okc, i would highly suggest the cowboy hall of fame. that is a pretty neat thing to do and doesn't take too long.
allweatherHorn
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Indeed, thanks for the correction.
panhandle2
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If kids were picking schools because of the towns the schools are in, they would all go to Kansas. Lawrence absolutely rocks. It is a beautiful city, close to KC, and just full a great, funky bars and restaurants. Most of the NBA guys who played at KU - and there are many - have homes in Lawrence still and raise their families there. Hornhusker, my daughter went to UT and my son went to KU, instead of UT. I think he did this because I wanted him to continue the family tradition of UT people. Hell, he is 40 and still lives in Lawrence; never left. Great town to go to college in, Lawrence. So why don't more studs play there? They don't have the winning tradition in football, the thing that attracts kids to such a wretched hole as Norman.
coolhorn
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It's true that not every kid out there wants the bright lights and big city atmosphere of Austin, Houston, and the Metroplex. Some are just more comfortable in a more small town atmosphere, and collie station, Norman, even Lubbock and Waco probably are a better fit.
I've got as much state pride as the next Texan, and I'd like to see some more of the good high school players matriculate to Baylor, Tech, Cougar High, TCU, SMU, and even aggy and help build those programs up some more. That being said, and my attitude that blow-u always has and always will suck, they generally win more than they lose, no matter what it costs them in ethics and player procurement, so I get why some top shelf Texas high school talent is willing to spend four years in Norman, that little Oklahoma strip mall town. I think it's up to the other Texas programs to become attractive enough to help UT keep more talent in-state. I don't fault okie for recruiting Texas so hard...but it doesn't break my heart that it's becoming increasingly harder for medium game Bob to pull talent out of here.
I've got as much state pride as the next Texan, and I'd like to see some more of the good high school players matriculate to Baylor, Tech, Cougar High, TCU, SMU, and even aggy and help build those programs up some more. That being said, and my attitude that blow-u always has and always will suck, they generally win more than they lose, no matter what it costs them in ethics and player procurement, so I get why some top shelf Texas high school talent is willing to spend four years in Norman, that little Oklahoma strip mall town. I think it's up to the other Texas programs to become attractive enough to help UT keep more talent in-state. I don't fault okie for recruiting Texas so hard...but it doesn't break my heart that it's becoming increasingly harder for medium game Bob to pull talent out of here.
notreally
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there is a reason they call it oklahoma ******.
the growth in norman and moore can't be seen from the highway. but both of those towns have quite a bit of money these days... particularly moore. if you cruise out to say 119th and may in southwest moore, you'll see a lot of 7 and 8 thousand square feet houses. actually pretty nice.
but there is still hardly any place to eat, shop, and go on the southside. some things are slowly popping up, but compared to the residential boom it has been very slow.
oklahoma is weird like that. even in edmond, where it has been developed for two decades, the amount of restaurants and bars in edmond is ridiculous considering the population and the funds available.
the growth in norman and moore can't be seen from the highway. but both of those towns have quite a bit of money these days... particularly moore. if you cruise out to say 119th and may in southwest moore, you'll see a lot of 7 and 8 thousand square feet houses. actually pretty nice.
but there is still hardly any place to eat, shop, and go on the southside. some things are slowly popping up, but compared to the residential boom it has been very slow.
oklahoma is weird like that. even in edmond, where it has been developed for two decades, the amount of restaurants and bars in edmond is ridiculous considering the population and the funds available.
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Unques prist
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My loyalty is to the University, but I now live in Edmond, OK and I have to tell you living in OK beats the hell out of living in Houston. I lived there for 7.5 years and it sucked.
OK's population is less than the Houston area and there more quality football players in Houston than in all of OK and probably most of the midwest combined. So hell yeah those schools are going to recruit TX hard. If a player was getting recruited by Texas and ou, it is a no brainer to go to Texas for us Texas fans, but if it is ou and KSU, well ou has a better chance to win it all and the tradition is excellent. So it is an easy decision for many kids. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand ou, but to act like everything in OK sucks and the people are idiots and nobody with a brain or with any class lives in OK is just BS. There are alot of great, down to earth folks up here and some damn excellent minds as well. Sometimes a player just fits better at a school and a city than in Austin, and Norman can offer that to some players.
OK's population is less than the Houston area and there more quality football players in Houston than in all of OK and probably most of the midwest combined. So hell yeah those schools are going to recruit TX hard. If a player was getting recruited by Texas and ou, it is a no brainer to go to Texas for us Texas fans, but if it is ou and KSU, well ou has a better chance to win it all and the tradition is excellent. So it is an easy decision for many kids. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand ou, but to act like everything in OK sucks and the people are idiots and nobody with a brain or with any class lives in OK is just BS. There are alot of great, down to earth folks up here and some damn excellent minds as well. Sometimes a player just fits better at a school and a city than in Austin, and Norman can offer that to some players.
Okay guys this is silly. We happen to live in a very large state with a lot more D-1 players than all of our D-1 schools can take every year. We go outside the state to recruit every year, with some years being more successful than others, so we have no room to gripe. Personally I cannot understand why a top in-state player who has a chance to attend UT or one of the other Texas schools in the Big 12 would not choose to do so, but that's just me. Also some kids have not lived in Texas all of their lives and may have ties to other states or schools outside the state, or they just want to go off to college because they have lived here all of their lives and want a new experience. As our Okie friends here have stated, we go outside the state quite a bit for basketball recruits as well as for recruits in the non-revenue producing sports. So lets just enjoy our riches here and don't be so bitter when we toss a few crums to schools like OU and Okie Lite. . .
Having said all that, OU still sucks!!!
Having said all that, OU still sucks!!!
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