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I'd hate to be in Jimbo's shoes this week leading up to the ULM game. Non stop badgering about the gig in Collieville. Coaches, players, staff members, all will be bombarded until Fisher gives a concrete answer... Better to say something quick, Jimbo, otherwise it's 6 days of pure hell on errrbody there
 
"breaking news" is a pretty misleading thread title.

We were 8-5 when he was fired. How many of us would take 8-5 about now
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I'd gladly take 8-4 over these 6-6 and 5-7 seasons we've had.

But that's different from saying we were improving in 2013. I don't believe we were. We had gone from losing 9 games in 6 years, to losing 21 in 4 years. Our last three seasons were 8-5, 9-4, 8-5 - that's holding steady, not getting better. And we ended 2013 with 3 losses in 4 games and none of the losses were close, and we were probably set for a decline in 2014.
 
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Statalyzer said:
I'd gladly take 8-4 over these 6-6 and 5-7 seasons we've had.

But that's different from saying we were improving in 2013. I don't believe we were. We had gone from losing 9 games in 6 years, to losing 21 in 4 years. Our last three seasons were 8-5, 9-4, 8-5 - that's holding steady, not getting better. And we ended 2013 with 3 losses in 4 games and none of the losses were close, and we were probably set for a decline in 2014.
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The team was also hammered in three of the last four games in 2013. I just have no recollection at all that the arrow was pointing up under Mack.
 
Horngal12 said:
Texas and Michigan and other programs for that matter have learned the hard way that you don't fire a coach after a winning season with the program improving.
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You're three quarters right - actually maybe less because I don't remember anything about Michigan's situation.
 
Horngal12 said:
10 was bad but we had 7 wins in 11 and 8 wins in 12 and 13. Program was on the way back up. Look I know that a lot of people don't like Mack but he is a legend and we haven't been competitive since. I will simply have to agree to disagree.
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Mack is/was a legend. Mack was also getting old and lost his recruiting edge. I do not believe he would have ever had the program revisiting the lofty levels of 2002-2009.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
Mack is/was a legend. Mack was also getting old and lost his recruiting edge. I do not believe he would have ever had the program revisiting the lofty levels of 2002-2009.
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It's hard to understand anyone thinking it was a mistake to push Mack out. I recall my arguments in Charlie's defense centering on the bag of rocks passed to him by Mack. I thought Charlie had a big-time clean-up job. Nobody was saying that Mack had baked him a cake.

But then Kansas happened and I lost any and all enthusiasm for Charlie.
 
bystander said:
It's hard to understand anyone thinking it was a mistake to push Mack out. I recall my arguments in Charlie's defense centering on the bag of rocks passed to him by Mack. I thought Charlie had a big-time clean-up job. Nobody was saying that Mack had baked him a cake.

But then Kansas happened and I lost any and all enthusiasm for Charlie.
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I kept hoping Charlie would turn it around too, than Kansas happened. Like you, that extinguished the last ray of hope I had for him. I wish him well in his future endeavors though.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
I kept hoping Charlie would turn it around too, than Kansas happened. Like you, that extinguished the last ray of hope I had for him. I wish him well in his future endeavors though.
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I was in doubt as the '16 season went on that Charlie could salvage his job. When the Kansas debacle went down, I knew his tenure was over. I watched the game, and when the KU FG in OT sailed through the uprights, I sat there. My wife commented that I was mighty calm considering. All I could muster and say was, he managed to lose to one of the worst if not the worst teams in Div 1 football and he's done....which he was.
 
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Maybe I'm not paying attention but it seems our players leave at the drop of a hat if they aren't starting. Now it may be that Herman failed to communicate properly with Warren and maybe Warren doesn't want to be a TE/H-Back but I think he's kidding himself if he thinks he's a premiere running back. He just doesn't seem to have the explosion.
 
bystander said:
Maybe I'm not paying attention but it seems our players leave at the drop of a hat if they aren't starting. Now it may be that Herman failed to communicate properly with Warren and maybe Warren doesn't want to be a TE/H-Back but I think he's kidding himself if he thinks he's a premiere running back. He just doesn't seem to have the explosion.
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I cannot blame him for potentially looking to land somewhere that gives more than four carries per game and asserts the reason he ONLY got four was that the average per carry was barely over three.

He has shown that he was very much the sort of a back that would get yards if you kept giving him the ball and letting him do his thing. At his size, he is precisely the sort of back that should rack up big numbers in the second half of a game after having spent the first half punishing the defensive line...

CW III clearly was not a choice of Herman. This is a sad thing because the games where he WAS given a chance, he seemed to do well...and if he goes elsewhere that properly utilizes him, I would fully expect him to be capable of putting up 1,500 yards per season across a full schedule.
 
LonghornCatholic said:
He'll do fine with a decent O-line.
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Key word there is decent because I think he'll do great with a good one. Heck I still think he'd have done well here if Mensa would have properly used him (and our Oline). But it is what it is, good luck CW III. If Boo leaves that will be my two favs gone. If HH and Malik leave I'll be back to ground zero on favs. Well that not quite accurate, Hagar should be back
 
Now that David Bailiff's been let go at Rice, any chance Herman finds a place for him as an assistant at Texas? (Just curious--he was a year behind me at our high school in San Antonio, so I always root for David...)
 
If Scott Frost goes home to Lincoln, does OC Troy Walters (1) follow him to Nebraska, (2) get the UCF head coaching job? If the answer is neither, would he be a good choice to replace Beck?
 
nashhorn said:
Key word there is decent because I think he'll do great with a good one. Heck I still think he'd have done well here if Mensa would have properly used him (and our Oline). But it is what it is, good luck CW III. If Boo leaves that will be my two favs gone. If HH and Malik leave I'll be back to ground zero on favs. Well that not quite accurate, Hagar should be back
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to properly use Warren from what I'm hearing is to give him the ball 25 times a game. he may eventually get 150 yards but by that time it'd be 35-10 (not in our favor). Don't get me started on Hager....
 
Don't get me started on Hager....
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If you don't want to get started on him, then why vague out half a sentence about him where it's not at all obvious what you are talking about, such that it would prompt someone to ask "what about Hager?"
 
Joe Fan said:
(a) Tis but a social construct (but no offense intended)
(b) I would argue that the program has been a dumpster fire since 2010. If you include recruiting, as I would, then the fire actually began prior to 2010 even.
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Jackson Jeffcoat and Jordan Hicks say hi. I thought they both came in in 2010. Gilbert was 2009 and you can't blame Mack for him. Everyone had him as a can't miss. Sometimes guys don't turn out. I blame Mack for Swoopes when it was clear as day the guy was not close to being ready to play. Also J Gray, Diggs, and both Brown's. Mack was still bringing in top talent. Just Gray and Brown didn't quite have the burst needed at the next level. Give either when healthy a decent OLine and they would have been fine. Brown at least played at the next level. Where we screwed up was OLine, MLB, and QB. Santos should have never been playing here.
 
Horngal12 said:
10 was bad but we had 7 wins in 11 and 8 wins in 12 and 13. Program was on the way back up. Look I know that a lot of people don't like Mack but he is a legend and we haven't been competitive since. I will simply have to agree to disagree.
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Still think it was time for Mack to go. Should have hired Franklin or Patterson and we'd have been fine. Charlie was a terrible hire.
 
Patterson was never going to leave Fort Worth.

Franklin is a piece of ****, whom I hope keeps moving farther away from Travis County.
 
wadster said:
Mack was still bringing in top talent. Just Gray and Brown didn't quite have the burst needed at the next level. Give either when healthy a decent OLine and they would have been fine. Brown at least played at the next level. Where we screwed up was OLine, MLB, and QB. Santos should have never been playing here.
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Do you not see the issue with what you just typed? Do you really think bringing in a handful of top players every year means anything when the rest of the class is weak and doesn't get developed? Did this issue with the o-line just suddenly come out of nowhere? That has been YEARS in the making, and it happened on Mack's watch. Sure, he picked up a running back here and a defensive player there, but his classes were not even close to being elite, and the product on the field showed it. We hadn't had an above average line performance since 2008. Give the 2009 team a decent line, and those guys are unstoppable. As it was, we couldn't run consistently and could never pick up short yardage when we needed it. Does that sound familiar?

The idea that Mack was turning the corner is a fantasy that people are dreaming up to help themselves feel more angry about why he's not here now. His last team won games against a weak schedule, and quite frankly was outclasses by every top 20 team it played.
 
ProdigalHorn said:
....The idea that Mack was turning the corner is a fantasy that people are dreaming up to help themselves feel more angry about why he's not here now. His last team won games against a weak schedule, and quite frankly was outclasses by every top 20 team it played.
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Thanks for saving me from the temptation to write 8-9 paragraphs on this. I think the passage of time has altered some memories. It happens. One example, Connor Williams will be the first drafted OL since 2008 from UT. Kind of crazy. And, of course, we had no one drafted in 2014. And just one player drafted in both 2016 and 2017. Besides, re-litigating Mack Brown now is ignoring actual issues that exist today, and will still exist tomorrow.
 
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Maybe I'm not paying attention but it seems our players leave at the drop of a hat if they aren't starting......
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We are looking at a potentially massive turnover
Here are the names of non-seniors leaving early I posted in the recruiting thread

Confirmed (mostly)
Alex Anderson RS JR
Terrell Cuney RS JR
Deshon Elliott JR (now confirmed)
Garrett Gray RS JR
Holton Hill JR
Malik Jefferson JR
Jake McMillon RS JR (maybe)
Charles Omenihu JR (probably)
Garrett Thomas RS SO
Chris Warren JR
Connor Williams JR
(one senior is probably coming back via medical - Beck)

Maybes
Kris Boyd JR (NFL)
Shane Buechele SO (chatter on this goes back to Spring)
Toneil Carter FR (poss transfer for increased PT)
D'Andre Christmas SO (almost left in Sept)
Eric Cuffee FR (name coming up)
Michael Dickson JR (NFL)
Devin Duvernay SO (the brothers might transfer out together)
Donovan Duvernay RS FR
Tristian Houston SO (hardly ever suits up for game day)
Cameron Townsend SO (another that does not suit up often)
 
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